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Local woman files discrimination complaint after being turned away at the Canadian border
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Friday, May 8, 2009 10:25 PM EDT
Rose Kelly sits with her children Xander Hildendorf, 5, left, and Onyx Kelly, 1, in their Owosso apartment. Argus-Press Photo by Anthony Cepak
OWOSSO - An Owosso woman says she was recently denied permission to cross the Canadian border because she is on welfare.
Rose Kelley, 25, said she was trying to visit friends and family who live in Canada, but ran into many complications on the way.
She arrived at the Sarnia, Ontario, border May 1 with her children Xander, 5, and Onyx, 1. When she reached the customs and immigration office she was given a list of items she needed to cross the border - some of which included: evidence of citizenship, financial support, financial assistance, confirmed means of departure, and more.
Before leaving home on May 1, Kelley said, she contacted the Canada Border Services Agency, and was told she only needed to bring identification and papers proving she had full custody of her children.
Because of this, she had to travel back to Owosso to get the necessary papers and then return May 3.
“I brought everything. My entire folder had every piece of paperwork that they could ask for,” Kelley said.
However, she was once again denied entry.
“They said I don't make enough money and people on welfare shouldn't take a vacation,” said Kelley, a single mother who has been on assistance for five years. “I was told that I wouldn't be allowed to cross the border until my life ‘drastically changed.'”
She said she was stunned by the events.
“My son was running around saying ‘I want to go to Canada. I want to go to Canada.' But I had to say, ‘Honey, we can't go to Canada. They won't let us,'” Kelley said. “And I just broke down in tears as I was walking out.”
But it wasn't necessarily the fact that she wasn't let into the country that bothered her - it was because she felt the way she was treated was rude and unfair.
Kelley added that the people she was visiting were going to cover her expenses as well as room and board, so she didn't understand why being on welfare mattered.
Because of the incident, Kelley said she filed a discrimination complaint with the agency Tuesday, but has heard no response yet.
Patrizia Giolti, a spokesperson for the Canada Border Services Agency, said that there are many reasons why a person could be deemed inadmissible to cross the border under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.
“Some of the reasons are for security issues. They may have ties to terrorism or organized crime. And financial reasons are another reason,” Giolti said. “A foreign national may be inadmissible for financial reasons if they will be unable to support themselves while they are here in Canada.”
She added that every case, however, is taken on its own merits.
“For privacy issues we do not discuss specific cases,” Giolti said. “I really couldn't speculate what transpired between the traveler and the officer at that time. But each case in unique, and the officer will make a decision based on the information that is presented at that time.”
Marian Kramer, the national chair of the Michigan Welfare Rights Organization - the Detroit-based union of public assistance recipients and low-income workers in the state, said she had never heard of an incident like this.
“And I've been dealing with welfare rights for some 40 years,” she said. “Why should she be discriminated against because she is on public assistance?”
The story of Kelley's rejection has recently made some waves in the Canadian media. The events were reported by the Toronto Sun, and one article stated that “Kelley's plight outraged dozens of Toronto Sun readers who wanted the family to visit Canada after reading about their plight in yesterday's paper. Many readers sent e-mails or called to voice their concerns.”
Also, Kelley said she was called Friday morning by a Toronto radio station, in which she said the DJ's described her as a “celebrity of sorts.” During her time on air, she was asked questions and was even allowed to listen to the callers who gave their opinions.
The new-found attention has been a strange experience, Kelley said.
“I don't like being called ‘welfare mom.' I'm more than that,” Kelly said of the Toronto Sun's headline. “I take care of my kids. When you say ‘welfare,' most people are going to look at it and look down on you. That's just how society is and it's sad.”
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Anne wrote on Jun 5, 2009 11:15 AM:
" Jim the Canadian is correct. The Canadian gov't must assume that there is a possiblity that she has entered to stay... Just as the US one does when it is the other way around. Each country decides for themselves how to deal with it.
"Kelley added that the people she was visiting were going to cover her expenses as well as room and board, so she didn't understand why being on welfare mattered."
If she had no proof of this as fact (not just a statement she made to them), they had no way to know if this was just a ploy to get into the country because Michigan was pushing her to get off welfare. I'm not seeing a real case for discrimination here, even if Canada had to answer to a US citizen (welfare mother or otherwise), which they do not. "
"Kelley added that the people she was visiting were going to cover her expenses as well as room and board, so she didn't understand why being on welfare mattered."
If she had no proof of this as fact (not just a statement she made to them), they had no way to know if this was just a ploy to get into the country because Michigan was pushing her to get off welfare. I'm not seeing a real case for discrimination here, even if Canada had to answer to a US citizen (welfare mother or otherwise), which they do not. "
Alex Rickson wrote on May 25, 2009 4:20 AM:
" I am sorry to hear that this Woman was denied entry to Canada. The US Border Guards can be really rude as well. This comes from a Dual Citizen who is American and Canadian Citizenship. I grew up in Canada but after 911 its really hard to cross both borders. "
Rose Kelley wrote on May 21, 2009 11:10 AM:
" ok, for all of your self absorbed people out there, I actually made it into Canada. I was denied because the border guard that I had dealt with the prior times WASN'T doing his job. He did NOT ask the right questions or give me the info i needed to properly answer them. As far as my schooling goes...I have more important things to deal with and honestly it is none of your gosh darn biz what I do in my private life. As i have said, You moronic people took this to the level of exploring my personal life when I was simply trying to inform. People at the border are not doing their jobs properly nor are they being very nice about it. THAT was my "beef" with it all. But whatever. You have your quibbles and issues with what I have done/ am doing in MY life...but please remember that it is MY life. not yours to make decisions based on the little information that you have about me and mine. You morons cant even get it through your thick skulls that I am NOT on CASH assistance, nor do i seek it. I make my way through life. the state provides me and mine with insurance because we are LOW income. thats it...they stepped in and helped because me and mine needed the boost. thats all. if you have issues about me getting help from the state then why in the blazzin hell are you pushing me into school. THAT will cause me to suck off of the state and use MORE of "your tax money" Get off my case and get a life. unplug the computer and get over it. Is it your life? do you live it? Then please stop being so judgmental and petty. This is NOT A "pity me" story..I was simply informing. YOU "fine" people have taken it this far. now I ask you all to stop writing and stop calling/showing up to my home and being rude. I have a life and i try like hell to live it. Back off and concentrate on YOUR life. I'm sure if it was picked apart people would look down on you as well, so stop being so high and mighty. "
Jim the Canadian wrote on May 18, 2009 3:30 PM:
" Firstly I'd like to say that I am Canadian. I am glad for CBSA actually doing their jobs. When I went to the US for 2 weeks I had to prove I had a full time job (gave them my employers number), I had a means to support myself for the 2 week trip (about 2,500$ USD) and I had to show intent of going back to Canada (my return tickets).
This was before they even asked me what I wanted to do in the US. It just makes sense to ask, and require this type of information.
What next? I'll file a complaint towards the Officers I dealt with when crossing into the US? Be serious. Its their jobs to ask and deny people who do not meet the requirements.
Jim "
This was before they even asked me what I wanted to do in the US. It just makes sense to ask, and require this type of information.
What next? I'll file a complaint towards the Officers I dealt with when crossing into the US? Be serious. Its their jobs to ask and deny people who do not meet the requirements.
Jim "
A mom wrote on May 17, 2009 2:05 PM:
" I moved to Canada and married a Canadian. This is how anyone poor or disabled is seen in Canada. Canadian immigration laws disallows most disabled people they see as burden, Even millionaires from S Africa, India and Australia have been denied immigration to Canada with disabled kids even when they signed contracts to not use the govt health care. It is about people think everyone in the US wants to suck of Canada's welfare. My husband is Canadian and I can tell you this rudeness I got at every turn in Canada. I finally came to the US.
SSI recipients can visit Canada but not live there and have the US govt send that money there. SS yes not SSI.
Border gaurds in Canada have wide powers far more than American guards do. Go to www.canlii.org a Canadian law site with the cases type immigration disabled child and see what it says.
I had to get what was called a minster permit to enter the country and show my bank my life and even after undergoing an RCMP and FBI background check. "
SSI recipients can visit Canada but not live there and have the US govt send that money there. SS yes not SSI.
Border gaurds in Canada have wide powers far more than American guards do. Go to www.canlii.org a Canadian law site with the cases type immigration disabled child and see what it says.
I had to get what was called a minster permit to enter the country and show my bank my life and even after undergoing an RCMP and FBI background check. "
american dad wrote on May 16, 2009 1:01 AM:
" Look, Rose Kelly is a citizen of the US and entitled to the same rights as any other US citizen. The fact she has taken public assistance is no cause to berate her for her choices. Yes I am sure she knows she has made some bad choices but at this point that is water under the bridge. She is still a person and is still entitled to some respect.
After saying all that, she has NO rights in Canada. Yes, Canada is much like the USA, but it is not the same country. They have their own rules and regulations there and they can allow or disallow whoever they want from entering their country. They don't even have to have a reason either. Yes I am sure she feels she was treated rudely and unfairly. She may have been. SO WHAT. It's their country. They can do what they want on their side of the border. When you are dealing with a bureaucracy like customs and immigration they can be inheritently rude and unfair. Its the nature of the beast, so suck it up buttercup.
If you don't want to go through this again Ms Kelly, do something more with your life. Yes raising two kids alone is hard work. Especially in this economy. Doesn't mean you can't use this time to improve yourself and get ready for better times. There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who bemoan their situation and blame others for it, and those who go out and change their situation. YOU have the choice as to which person you will be. Don't let others chose for you. But it's all up to you as to which person you will be. You have to chose "
After saying all that, she has NO rights in Canada. Yes, Canada is much like the USA, but it is not the same country. They have their own rules and regulations there and they can allow or disallow whoever they want from entering their country. They don't even have to have a reason either. Yes I am sure she feels she was treated rudely and unfairly. She may have been. SO WHAT. It's their country. They can do what they want on their side of the border. When you are dealing with a bureaucracy like customs and immigration they can be inheritently rude and unfair. Its the nature of the beast, so suck it up buttercup.
If you don't want to go through this again Ms Kelly, do something more with your life. Yes raising two kids alone is hard work. Especially in this economy. Doesn't mean you can't use this time to improve yourself and get ready for better times. There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who bemoan their situation and blame others for it, and those who go out and change their situation. YOU have the choice as to which person you will be. Don't let others chose for you. But it's all up to you as to which person you will be. You have to chose "
Lee wrote on May 15, 2009 3:29 PM:
" Rose:
I teach at a community college, and the vast majority of my students are single mothers with deadbeat baby daddies, working hard to make a better life for their children. So can you. Quit worrying about staunchly defending your mythical right to go to Canada, and use that energy instead to get yourself to the Student Services department of Lansing Community College--you should be in their district. You will not be the first woman to come in with a double-stroller full of kiddies, and you won't be the last. Community colleges have many, many financial aid programs (such as TRiO and SPOPS) for people in your position. They also offer online classes, which would allow you to keep one eye on your children while doing your coursework from whatever computer you're using to post here. LCC even has a Child Care Grant you can apply for if the courses you need aren't available online.
Don't say you can't do it, or have no transportation, or whatever excuse you can think of--my students come from worse circumstances all the time. And I'm in a rural area with far fewer public transportation and child care options than the area you're in. Community colleges exist for one reason, and one reason only: to help people who otherwise might not have a shot at higher ed, or any other way to get out of the downward spiral you're in. You're young, presumably healthy, and you have a community college relatively nearby, just bursting full of resources that you can take advantage of--resources and government money that will help you build a better life, not keep you trapped where you are.
There's no reason NOT to get your butt into college, NOW. Otherwise, you're just going to condemn your children to the same cycle of generational poverty and lack of personal responsibility. And trust me--you don't want to be living this same hand-to-mouth existence when you're 50 or 60. Because as much as it sucks to be poor in your 20s? It's going to be so, so much worse after two or three decades of poverty and age taking a toll on your body. And in the meantime, the only partners you're going to find are the predators who can smell the desperation coming off of you (and all welfare moms) in waves. Step up to the plate and get yourself in a position to support yourself and your kids. That is far more important than anything you'll sightsee in Canada. If your lawyer had any actual ethics or humanity, s/he would tell you the same thing. "
I teach at a community college, and the vast majority of my students are single mothers with deadbeat baby daddies, working hard to make a better life for their children. So can you. Quit worrying about staunchly defending your mythical right to go to Canada, and use that energy instead to get yourself to the Student Services department of Lansing Community College--you should be in their district. You will not be the first woman to come in with a double-stroller full of kiddies, and you won't be the last. Community colleges have many, many financial aid programs (such as TRiO and SPOPS) for people in your position. They also offer online classes, which would allow you to keep one eye on your children while doing your coursework from whatever computer you're using to post here. LCC even has a Child Care Grant you can apply for if the courses you need aren't available online.
Don't say you can't do it, or have no transportation, or whatever excuse you can think of--my students come from worse circumstances all the time. And I'm in a rural area with far fewer public transportation and child care options than the area you're in. Community colleges exist for one reason, and one reason only: to help people who otherwise might not have a shot at higher ed, or any other way to get out of the downward spiral you're in. You're young, presumably healthy, and you have a community college relatively nearby, just bursting full of resources that you can take advantage of--resources and government money that will help you build a better life, not keep you trapped where you are.
There's no reason NOT to get your butt into college, NOW. Otherwise, you're just going to condemn your children to the same cycle of generational poverty and lack of personal responsibility. And trust me--you don't want to be living this same hand-to-mouth existence when you're 50 or 60. Because as much as it sucks to be poor in your 20s? It's going to be so, so much worse after two or three decades of poverty and age taking a toll on your body. And in the meantime, the only partners you're going to find are the predators who can smell the desperation coming off of you (and all welfare moms) in waves. Step up to the plate and get yourself in a position to support yourself and your kids. That is far more important than anything you'll sightsee in Canada. If your lawyer had any actual ethics or humanity, s/he would tell you the same thing. "
Michael wrote on May 15, 2009 9:27 AM:
" I must say that I would do the same thing she did Tay. Obviously handling things quietly doesn't change anything, and actions like these shouldn't be happening in the first place. Letting people know about the injustices is what changes the system. Rose Kelley is just standing up for what she sees is right. I, personally, hope that with all publicity (whether wanted or not) will change the way that the Canadian border guards will act. "
Cold North Wind wrote on May 15, 2009 3:20 AM:
" Rose- amazing how quickly people judge !
Stick to your guns- continue-.The biggest "losers" often are the ones who are quick to judge-harshly. People who live in glass houses,being the first to throw stones !Or- they have more tiome on their handfs- to write nasty things ! Me- retired- worked like a maniac all my life. Survived some serious abuse. So- keep on ! "
Stick to your guns- continue-.The biggest "losers" often are the ones who are quick to judge-harshly. People who live in glass houses,being the first to throw stones !Or- they have more tiome on their handfs- to write nasty things ! Me- retired- worked like a maniac all my life. Survived some serious abuse. So- keep on ! "
sue wrote on May 14, 2009 12:12 PM:
" Rose: you are low income with two children--YOUR SCHOOLING WOULD BE FREE!!!! Take advantage of it and better yourself! You keep coming up with excuses not to do so, so that makes me think you don't want to better yourself. As for being overwhelmed, that's life get over it!! I am not low income so I had to take out loans to go to school and I did so to help out with bills. I did what I had to do to take care of my family---by the way, my husband get unemployment. Be an adult and be responsible and quit relying on others to take care of you! "
Tay wrote on May 14, 2009 9:21 AM:
" I disagree with Michael. This is a "pity me" story. I work with people who have had the same thing done to them. They don't run off to the press. They quietly handle the problem. If she did not want people to write what is being written about her, then she should not have gone to the press. She deserves what she gets. "
fearofretrobution wrote on May 14, 2009 12:42 AM:
" Rose Kelley:
You want us to stick with the subject at hand: Your refused entry into the nation of Canada do to your being a recipient of welfare. Fair enough. All I can say about that is this: Canada is a sovereign nation, and as such, has the right to deny entry to any non-citizen at any time. It may or may not be fair in this case, (hard to say since we've only gotten your side of the story) bu that IS the bottom line. Sovergn nation have the right to say who can and cannot come in. Period. "
You want us to stick with the subject at hand: Your refused entry into the nation of Canada do to your being a recipient of welfare. Fair enough. All I can say about that is this: Canada is a sovereign nation, and as such, has the right to deny entry to any non-citizen at any time. It may or may not be fair in this case, (hard to say since we've only gotten your side of the story) bu that IS the bottom line. Sovergn nation have the right to say who can and cannot come in. Period. "
Michael wrote on May 13, 2009 3:10 PM:
" Wow, you people dont see the reason behind the story do you? This isn't a "Pity me" story, this isn't about Ms. Kelley at all really. What this story is about is Canadian border guards completely disreguarding any sort of Human Rights, This is about the injustice that they seem to think that they can get away with.
I am sure that Rose Kelley is well aware of the fact that she is jobless, Im sure she is well aware of the fact that she has made poor life choices, Im sure she has regretted those choices to some degree. No one needs to have their entire community pointing out every thing that they have done wrong. Think about it people, how would it feel to have everyone in your city saying that your a horrible person because of stuff you have done. I sure as hell know that i wouldn't. "
I am sure that Rose Kelley is well aware of the fact that she is jobless, Im sure she is well aware of the fact that she has made poor life choices, Im sure she has regretted those choices to some degree. No one needs to have their entire community pointing out every thing that they have done wrong. Think about it people, how would it feel to have everyone in your city saying that your a horrible person because of stuff you have done. I sure as hell know that i wouldn't. "
Rose Kelley wrote on May 13, 2009 2:46 PM:
" ok, as for my "break", I work very hard to take care of my children and make sure they have what they need. For 5 years we have done nothing but scramble and work and clean and work some more...It has gotten to the point that my 5yr old son helps out around the house because i am overwhelmed with the things i have to do on a daily basis. as for my time working an actual job in the past 5 years, I have made due with odd jobs. grunt work for construction, cleaning other peoples homes, babysitting...AND had time to go back and graduate highschool. I do work to better my family. I just dont see how taking out a petty loan is going to better us. It will only hurt us because it wont pay for the whole of my schooling and then i have to find ways to pay it back. with 2 kids and bills and their needs to be met, i barely make ends meet as it is. To add on another loan would be insanely stupid until I do find some type of work that pays more then minimum wage. and let me reitterate, I was/am NOT going to Canada to stay. I am NOT looking for publicity, I wanted to make people aware of a situation. The publicity is actually caused by how everyone is reacting to it. The border wont even give ME any information so i do understand how you all feel about not getting the full story. I hear things from spokespersons and people whom have dealt with similar situations and i get the same answer "You have to be able to support yourself while in canada." If i had the food and necesities to stay with someone providing room and board...to me that seems like i have my bases covered. I have also gone as far as to get travelers insurance to prove that me and mine will be covered while on our stay in case something unpredictable should happen. I have yet to be notified by anyone on the border if it will be enough. There are quite a few other sites that I have also been visiting that talk about this issue. most being canadian and telling me to keep trying. My friends and family and I will be trying this yet again on Monday. I have ALL of the necessary articles of paperwork that they have listed on the website to bring to the border. If i do not get across again I will be filling yet another complaint. there is NO reason on this earth why i should be denied entry for a visit. I am fighting for what I believe in. "
Goober wrote on May 13, 2009 1:22 PM:
" Glad to see a lot of people realize that there is more to this story. All that will be reported at first is what is stated in press released prepared by people like Marian Kramer. "
kids2pets4 wrote on May 13, 2009 12:18 PM:
" There is more to this story for sure but if she is on welfare in her own Country she will no doubt be looking for welfare here in Canada. It is about time Canada shows some concern for who we let in. Americans are always making fun of us because we are too nice but are the first to take advantage of our hospitality. "
sue wrote on May 13, 2009 12:15 PM:
" Rose: you won't take out loans...which wouldn't be much because you are low income...to put your family in more of a "rut"? HELLO!! You should be doing WHATEVER it takes to make your family better!! I'm doing it now! Show your kids that you do what it takes to ensure a decent life...now and in the future...for them. You still didn't answer the question...what kind of income do you have if you don't get cash from the state? And what kind of a "break" do you think you need?? Good for you for getting away from an abusive person....show your kids how to be strong and rely on no one but themselves...make them strong and determined...not to rely on others! "
Amanda wrote on May 13, 2009 11:52 AM:
" I am not saying either way whom I agree with on this incident because yes it has two stories. Most of you on here are getting angry with her because she has two kids and is on welfare. Good for her! I used to think like you all but have changed my mind over the years for two reasons. One is that I wouldn't want her children to have to starve and live in the great unknown. Jobs a very few to none around here and I can understand where it could get frustrating to a single mother to try and feed/take care of her kids without some sort of help. Two, I have recently worked with people whom are on "welfare". Yes I said worked. They have to have a place where they "volunteer their time in order to receive this money. So again don't think that people are up there standing in line for a hand out because it's not always a hand out anymore. They have a lot of restrictions and details that most of us are not even sure of except for those that need that form of assistance. As I said earlier, there are two sides to every story and none of us have the right to judge her for we do not know (nor do we need to) about how she takes care of her family. "
T wrote on May 13, 2009 11:41 AM:
" I've read some of theses comments reguarding this article. I find it very upsetting. Welfare mom or not. This woman and her children deserve some respect. What about the many mother's faced with handicapped children? My daughter, was born with a handicap. I was a welfare mom. I also worked 2 jobs to try to support my family. My daughter today, struggles to try to support her family. Our FOC, let her father slide on his responsibility. $26,000.00 due me for back child-support. Now, its to late, he died. He owed this to me also, to the daughter we created together. My daughter with her disability, would have bankrupt anyone in the first year of birth. I had no choice but to get on public assistance. I tried college, work, and tried to be father and mother to my child, homaker, while trying to do this all at once. I did'nt run away from my responsibility. Nor did I walk away from it. You self rightous, ignorant people offend me. "
Tay wrote on May 13, 2009 11:38 AM:
" I think all Rose Kelly wants is attention. Like all the other whiners that come out with stories of pity me. She needs to get off her butt and get a job before visiting friends. Owosso is not a bad place to live and she is one of the reasons Owosso gets a bad rep. "
Les wrote on May 13, 2009 11:01 AM:
" I am Canadian, and ashamed of this, our border agency should be ashamed. Now we are discriminating the entry into Canada because of how someone supports themselves. Are they next going to stop the unemployed from entering. Are they going to stop the lower income person from voluterring to help with sick relatives in Toronto also. This is crazy, Rose Kelly, I appologize to you for this and assure you that not all Canadians are idiots like this person. Please try to visit us soon. Print a business card saying, Rose Kelly President of Kelly Inc, maybe they won't blink an eye, cost 10 bucks.
Sorry
Les "
Sorry
Les "
WONDERFUL citizen wrote on May 13, 2009 10:56 AM:
" Dear Ms. Kelley & readers,
First of all, like most of you have said there is more to this story, and as we all know the truth will always come out in the end. For one we have not heard anything pertaining to the facts from the Canadian Border, which goes to show that we have not heard the whole story. So with that, none of us should be judging her let alone supporting her. When you don’t have all the facts you cannot come to any conclusion whether it be judgmental or supportive. Furthermore Ms. Kelley, if you do not want us “Wonderful citizens” poking around in your business you should have never put your business out there for us, you should have just filed your complaint and not made it public knowledge. You think we are poking around, wait until Canadian officials start poking around. They have way more resources than we do. One thing I don’t understand is in your last comment you stated:” Then to be turned away from the only break I have had in over 5 years because I do at least make sure my kids are fed” how is a trip to Canada the ONLY break you have gotten in 5 years? I think your 5 years of welfare would be a break, seeing as to it’s money you don’t have to get up and go to work for. You may not have been getting assistance for 5 consecutive years, for everything, but medical that is something a lot of people who work don’t have, so be grateful. Two last questions, when is the last time you even worked, and out of the last 5 years how much was actually spent working for a paycheck? "
First of all, like most of you have said there is more to this story, and as we all know the truth will always come out in the end. For one we have not heard anything pertaining to the facts from the Canadian Border, which goes to show that we have not heard the whole story. So with that, none of us should be judging her let alone supporting her. When you don’t have all the facts you cannot come to any conclusion whether it be judgmental or supportive. Furthermore Ms. Kelley, if you do not want us “Wonderful citizens” poking around in your business you should have never put your business out there for us, you should have just filed your complaint and not made it public knowledge. You think we are poking around, wait until Canadian officials start poking around. They have way more resources than we do. One thing I don’t understand is in your last comment you stated:” Then to be turned away from the only break I have had in over 5 years because I do at least make sure my kids are fed” how is a trip to Canada the ONLY break you have gotten in 5 years? I think your 5 years of welfare would be a break, seeing as to it’s money you don’t have to get up and go to work for. You may not have been getting assistance for 5 consecutive years, for everything, but medical that is something a lot of people who work don’t have, so be grateful. Two last questions, when is the last time you even worked, and out of the last 5 years how much was actually spent working for a paycheck? "
Rose Kelley wrote on May 13, 2009 10:49 AM:
" I have seen it all now. Being threatened by someone who wont even state his/her name. Thats so funny. As for bringing my children into this conversation...I have already stated that my 2nd child was planned and i was married. Some of you probably know the deadbeat father. He works at Olivers in downtown. Your avrage pot-smoking owosso butthead. He had lied and manipulated me for years, he went into the army and we got married. Had a kid and he came home a changed man. an abusive one. He gave my son a black eye. Police reports and all he is now gone from our lives. Trying to make a life in owosso is not easy and most people arent even worth spitting at. I see that most of you realize this. But here I am because minimum wage doesnt pay for a family of 3 to move anywhere. and as for the "vacation" I was going to visit friends and family and NONE of my money was put forth in funding the trip so stop using that as amunition as well as the word welfare. I have said that the only consecutive thing I have had for that five years is insurance. lets see...what else did i miss. Oh, in order to look for a job without my children takes money which i dont have. I dont have my extended family to stick by me on this. I do things on my own as far as taking care of my life. I am not about to take a babysitting offer from anyone here either due to all of you being so hurtful. the trip was just a nice offering from my friends and family. Its funny how people are so judgmental and jump to conclusions as they do. WELFARE DOES NOT MEAN MONEY! Insurance and food stamps off and on. I do not just sit on my butt day after day twiddling my thumbs. and as for education, i am a HS graduate. anything else again, takes money. Loans...hmm...put my family in more of a rutt than we already are. I think not. I hope I have answered everything. Please remember to stay focused on the issue at hand and not just my personal life. Canada denying entry because of welfare. So if I were to be going to a wedding over there for the day, would I still be denied. I was told yes. So i do hope that anyone on here that has close family planning a wedding that they dont have it at the falls...because you more than likely wont be able to go. Kinda sucks when you put it into that type of perspective but that is the reality of it. "
sue wrote on May 13, 2009 10:25 AM:
" To Ms. Kelley: if all you have is insurance through the state then where does your money come from if you are unemployed? Do you get unemployment? Do you live off of child support--do you even get child support? I have had to ask for help once or twice but didn't keep it for 5 years. You have inconsistencies in your story and your responses. The story you told made it sound like you were living off of the state--you have created most of the comments you received. ngrzena...it's hard when you bust your butt and can't get a little help....been there too. Rose, have you thought about furthering your education? "
Alric wrote on May 13, 2009 8:54 AM:
" People in the United States are some of the most hateful, spiteful, petty people in the civilized world. What makes us this way is a complete mystery to me. It's just amazing. I read comment after comment after comment that just shows a hatred for the poor.
Sometimes I think the best solution is for the U. S. to completely implode, and from the ashes, a saner, more moral nation be built up in its place. "
Sometimes I think the best solution is for the U. S. to completely implode, and from the ashes, a saner, more moral nation be built up in its place. "
mich wrote on May 13, 2009 4:59 AM:
" She lives in Owosso, Welfare Capital of Michigan, you want welfare move to Owosso, 90% of the people living in Owosso, are on welfare looking for one thing okay maybe two, a person to have a one night stand with, or welfare. If a person wants a piece go to Owosso, its everywhere, all a person has to do is go to Cosmo, or Steve's Place, you will find it there. Lived there for 9 months, and had more welfare mothers then one can count, spread them legs "
fear of retrobution wrote on May 13, 2009 3:16 AM:
" Rose Kelley:
five years ago the economy was in much better shape. You couldn't find a job five years ago? The why did you have another child??
I've lived that broke with no help life. It's all about life choices. Let's look at some facts here shall we?
1st, you claim to have been on assistance for 5 years. Ok, fine. Your children are aged five and one. So, you chose to get pregnant at least once, maybe twice, while you were jobless and on state assistance. That is a piss poor life choice.
My wife and I desperately want to have another child. But we're just too strapped for cash right now. So, we're CHOOSING not to have another child now.
Life choices. You Chose to get pregnant before you were even old enough to drink. You chose to get pregnant again while on welfare. Bottom line is, you're life is never gonna get better until you choose to take some personal responsibility for the decisions you've made, and make the appropriate lifestyle changes.
BTW, that, "community of self-absorbed people such as yourselves" I.E. us, have been the one paying your bills for the last five years, so spare us your righteous indignation.
Finally, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. I hope you kind find some work and get your life straightened out. Until then you need to realize that state assistance isn't a right. It's the charity of others. You should be thankful for it. And if your life is really the bad off, you shouldn't be doing anything other than spending your days trying to elevate your position. "
five years ago the economy was in much better shape. You couldn't find a job five years ago? The why did you have another child??
I've lived that broke with no help life. It's all about life choices. Let's look at some facts here shall we?
1st, you claim to have been on assistance for 5 years. Ok, fine. Your children are aged five and one. So, you chose to get pregnant at least once, maybe twice, while you were jobless and on state assistance. That is a piss poor life choice.
My wife and I desperately want to have another child. But we're just too strapped for cash right now. So, we're CHOOSING not to have another child now.
Life choices. You Chose to get pregnant before you were even old enough to drink. You chose to get pregnant again while on welfare. Bottom line is, you're life is never gonna get better until you choose to take some personal responsibility for the decisions you've made, and make the appropriate lifestyle changes.
BTW, that, "community of self-absorbed people such as yourselves" I.E. us, have been the one paying your bills for the last five years, so spare us your righteous indignation.
Finally, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. I hope you kind find some work and get your life straightened out. Until then you need to realize that state assistance isn't a right. It's the charity of others. You should be thankful for it. And if your life is really the bad off, you shouldn't be doing anything other than spending your days trying to elevate your position. "
ngrzena wrote on May 13, 2009 1:16 AM:
" ok you all are not every nice about the issue but i get food assistance and my and my boyfriend work everyday to get what we have and to support our son together and if someone wants to go and vist with a family memeber they have all right to. i dont think anyone has the right to cut her down they way some of you people have just bc some people are not as poor as the reast of us. i just cant belive some people can just be that heartless. i hope that one day you will have to take the road that some people have been taken for years and have nothing and welfare wont help you!!!! "
BH wrote on May 12, 2009 11:00 PM:
" Ok F.O.R. - A liberal and a fascist in the same sentence - impressive. You forgot Bourgeois and Marxist. Might as well cover the whole spectrum.
Whatever, go back to la la land.
Until this year, Canada hasn't run a budget deficit since the mid 90's. The only reason why they've gone into deficit this year is for the same reason why almost every other country has had to do the same - to kick start the global economy.
Their banks have not had ANY bailouts - none.
They have never sent out any "Stimulus checks".
None of their Provinces or Territories are on the brink of bankruptcy or have had to lay off civil servants in the 1000's.
Because they have a universal medical system does that make it a welfare state? How does that make it a welfare state?
Your ignorance is breathtaking... "
Whatever, go back to la la land.
Until this year, Canada hasn't run a budget deficit since the mid 90's. The only reason why they've gone into deficit this year is for the same reason why almost every other country has had to do the same - to kick start the global economy.
Their banks have not had ANY bailouts - none.
They have never sent out any "Stimulus checks".
None of their Provinces or Territories are on the brink of bankruptcy or have had to lay off civil servants in the 1000's.
Because they have a universal medical system does that make it a welfare state? How does that make it a welfare state?
Your ignorance is breathtaking... "
El Burro wrote on May 12, 2009 10:13 PM:
" You are on welfare but you can afford jewlery and to visit your relatives in another country? Listen to me you *** parasite. If it were up to me you and your kids would be taking a zyklon b shower; and the "father" (if "he" could be found). I am sick and (messed) tired of our education system that teaches people that they are "special" "unique" or "important". You can see this in our movies and television shows. There is always the average person doing amazing things in special circumstances. The average person is a (jerk) I wouldn't trust to wash my car. You have been lied to. You are not "more than that" you are a mistake. You are a threat to this country. And when the taxpayers of this country are sick and tired of you subsisting on funds extorted from them I hope one of us remembers where you live so they can take their money out of that body. "
Steve wrote on May 12, 2009 9:35 PM:
" Let's state a few facts.
Minimum wage was NEVER intended to support a family
Welfare was NOT intended to be a way of life.
So, with that said, she should have never had another child and should have taken advantage of education offered during the first month of her being on welfare. Instead of doing what she did......had another welfare kid. So now CA. will not let you in....TFB! "
Minimum wage was NEVER intended to support a family
Welfare was NOT intended to be a way of life.
So, with that said, she should have never had another child and should have taken advantage of education offered during the first month of her being on welfare. Instead of doing what she did......had another welfare kid. So now CA. will not let you in....TFB! "
AreYouSerious wrote on May 12, 2009 6:55 PM:
" I'm not going to comment on anything except something that Ms. Kelly said herself. "I hunt for a job every day. You probably have seen me around town with my double stroller trying to find a place that is hiring."
Ms. Kelly, most employers will NOT be impressed by you bringing your kids with you to apply for a job. Find someone to watch them for a day or two and go apply for jobs without bringing them along. "
Ms. Kelly, most employers will NOT be impressed by you bringing your kids with you to apply for a job. Find someone to watch them for a day or two and go apply for jobs without bringing them along. "
BrockSamson wrote on May 12, 2009 6:20 PM:
" You know what? I think that guard was exactly right. You are on welfare. You are not working for a living. Sure you say "I take care of my kids." No you don't, the taxpayer takes care of your kids. You just cash the checks, and instead of buying food or whatever you plan vacations. Here's a hint, if you have a little bit left over, buy some resume paper. You wonder why you are met with disdain? I work for a living, I see a chuck of my pay go to you twice a month and I only get to take my family somewhere maybe once every 2-3 years. You have an entitlement mentality, you feel that you are entitled to our money and it is not enough. We are sick and tired of seeing people like you make the wrong decision and get rewarded time after time; and it is never enough. You always have your hand out. You want to show your kids something other than poverty? Show them some responsibility. "
Concerned Citizen wrote on May 12, 2009 6:10 PM:
" Why don't you find something else to yak aboout and quit picking on this young woman and her children..By the looks of her children, shes not a baby maker and you should keep your mouth shut unless you know this for a fact. That president we have is sucking more money out of us than any welfare mother with two kids, why don't anyone complain about that. I wonder if you all know what we're in for!! welfare will look like peanuts and you'll all be wishing thing were as they used to be.LIVE AND LEARN. "
Rose Kelley wrote on May 12, 2009 5:18 PM:
" As i have stated, It has NOT been a consecutive 5 years. the only thing i have had for the whole 5years is insurance through the state. any other questions? "
Robert wrote on May 12, 2009 5:14 PM:
" I worked in the US welfare system for 7 years giving away millions. Guess what. You ARE a welfare Mom. Giving yourself a cutesy title in lieu of reality does not make your situation any cuter. You are broke, you are not trying hard enough, and your kids will be on welfare at this rate. I saw it all the time. Some example you are to your kids. How about you work for a bit and set an example, like going on vacation once you earned $1000? Welcome to reality, welfare mom. "
shiataxpayer wrote on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM:
" Go camping in the back yard with blankets and pillows and a flashlight once the weahter warms up.
Make fishing poles out of a stick, string and a safety pin--and find the nearest creek.
Can the family travel to Port Huron to visit at one of the nice parks there? An all day potluck picnic--granted, not days spent together but it is better than nothing.
You can show your kids something besides poverty by the choices you make. No more siblings, go to college, and show your kids that hard work pays off.
In 5 years you could have earned an associates or bachelors degree with help while on assistance.
We are two full time wage earners here who pay taxes to support you. We haven't went on a vacation in 4 years due to job/pay changes and no money to do so. "
Make fishing poles out of a stick, string and a safety pin--and find the nearest creek.
Can the family travel to Port Huron to visit at one of the nice parks there? An all day potluck picnic--granted, not days spent together but it is better than nothing.
You can show your kids something besides poverty by the choices you make. No more siblings, go to college, and show your kids that hard work pays off.
In 5 years you could have earned an associates or bachelors degree with help while on assistance.
We are two full time wage earners here who pay taxes to support you. We haven't went on a vacation in 4 years due to job/pay changes and no money to do so. "
maryfknsunshine wrote on May 12, 2009 4:17 PM:
" Use that lawyer to get some decent support from the guy who helped u make the babies. I understand that things happen to cause you to need some help, but i don't understand why you haven't gotten out of your funk for 5 years. I think the stigma is from the 5 years..is there something wrong with you that inhibits your ability to work? "
Southern Neighbor wrote on May 12, 2009 2:45 PM:
" Here's the root of the welfare problem here in the USA. In 1913 we handed the creation and management of our money over to a private banking corporation called the Federal Reserve. The dollar we entrusted to them in 1913 is now worth about 4 cents compared to what it was then. That's why it now takes two people working full-time to achieve the same standard of living that one could earn during our parents' generation, and in most parts of the nation it is next to impossible to "get ahead" even with two jobs and no credit cards. Simple money reform would make most welfare for able-bodied persons unnecessary. Instead, they continue to make our citizens more-and-more dependent upon the government instead of fostering a spirit of independence. "
Rose Kelley wrote on May 12, 2009 12:33 PM:
" Gee I just LOVE you WOUNDERFUL citizens. Some of you are actually seeing things clearly instead of poking around in my life. As for my lack of judgment, I suppose I dont have much since i have CHOSEN to live in a community of self-absorbed people such as yourselves. I do hope that one day you wake up and find your life shattered, realize you have to go on welfare and deal with the things that I have dealt with. ShadowWolf, Thank you very much for actually opening your eyes. Listen, it IS hard enough to wkae up every morning and try like hell to figure out how I am going to make ends meet this month. Raising 2 small children on my own has been no easy task. Then to be turned away from the only break I have had in over 5 years because I do at least make sure my kids are fed...Idk. and NO i am NOT on cash assistance. I hunt for a job every day. You probably have seen me around town with my double stroller trying to find a place that is hiring. Stop judging me and look at what this really is. Like ShadowWolf had said, Look at the big picture. Its rediculous that the border wont let someone in that has little income...I have met quite a few people that arent on any kind of assistance that have been turned down...ALSO i have met a few people that have been let in with the knowlage that said person had only $5 in their wallet. Now tell me, is it fair? No, it isnt. I just decided to stand up and put my story out there and let people know that travel is NOT as easy as everyone thinks. My grandfather was planning a trip to the falls this summer (in Canada) but is unsure now if he wants to even try due to being on Social Security. "
Barmakid wrote on May 12, 2009 12:30 PM:
" Being objective: we live in a world of rules. Without rules we would still be hunter gatherers.
The system that denied her entry to Canada, is closely related to the one that made the rules that enabled this family to enjoy five years of welfare.
You win some; you lose some. C'est la Vie! "
The system that denied her entry to Canada, is closely related to the one that made the rules that enabled this family to enjoy five years of welfare.
You win some; you lose some. C'est la Vie! "
Lee wrote on May 12, 2009 11:09 AM:
" I worked my way through college and grad school on minimum wage. So yeah, it can be done. You just have to have your priorities straight, and use good judgment. Two children by two different men in 5 years, with neither relationship working out? Sounds like you have no ability to make sound judgments whatsoever. Deciding it's more important to teach your kids about fishing and camping than to teach them that self-respecting, mature adults actually get up and work for a living? Another poor choice. Oh, and your MySpace page, which is easily found by searching under your real name? Perhaps the biggest example of immaturity, lack of any kind of common sense, and poor judgment by an adult that I have ever seen. No wonder you don't have a job--I certainly wouldn't trust you to have the good sense to mop the floor, let alone handle money, raise children, or anything else of substance. "
GiantSS wrote on May 12, 2009 10:25 AM:
" She is hot! She can move in with me. I can't get into Canada either,lol "
ShadowWolf wrote on May 12, 2009 9:59 AM:
" I just wanted to say, we're going to be traveling this summer because family wants to see our grandkids. They will be funding our trip and we will be reporting that "gift" to our caseworker. Are people going to judge us for traveling while on welfare? Grandparents cannot afford to pay the amount per month that the government is paying us for food alone...but they can afford to pay for a basically no thrills visit. "
ShadowWolf wrote on May 12, 2009 9:56 AM:
" Being on welfare long term may be a problem but honestly, I can see why people do it. Before I say what I'm going to say, let me clarify where I'm at...my husband is recently unemployed. He is right at this moment applying to go back to school and finish his degree. He's held one job for 11 years until now. We'll probably be on welfare for a while. That said, he is applying for other jobs, I'm looking, but we have 4 young children w/ no plans to have more. We will not receive welfare for longer than we need it but it may be years if he ends up back in school in order to get a job that will pay enough to support us.
The way our welfare system is set up, we're going to get double what we were paying for food a month...just for food alone... Also, medical for our kids paid for. We can't afford this on our own. I can see why people would live on welfare because you can actually live a life. My kids reactions when I brought home some food from food stamps was this "mmmmmm I forgot how good this tasted". We have not been able to buy quality food consistantly for a long time....even after paying off all our credit cards, etc.
I just want to make people aware that they may not know the whole picture when they see a family on welfare so please be careful about judging in general. We work hard, we want the best for our children and we are trying our hardest to get back on our feet. It is humiliating enough to walk in the office and ask for assistance and then frustrating when you hear people talking about how they lie to get on welfare when you are trying your hardest to be honest. "
The way our welfare system is set up, we're going to get double what we were paying for food a month...just for food alone... Also, medical for our kids paid for. We can't afford this on our own. I can see why people would live on welfare because you can actually live a life. My kids reactions when I brought home some food from food stamps was this "mmmmmm I forgot how good this tasted". We have not been able to buy quality food consistantly for a long time....even after paying off all our credit cards, etc.
I just want to make people aware that they may not know the whole picture when they see a family on welfare so please be careful about judging in general. We work hard, we want the best for our children and we are trying our hardest to get back on our feet. It is humiliating enough to walk in the office and ask for assistance and then frustrating when you hear people talking about how they lie to get on welfare when you are trying your hardest to be honest. "
a from MI wrote on May 12, 2009 8:03 AM:
" It's Canada's right to restrict who comes in. By the way, there are plenty of places to go camping and fishing in Michigan. "
bobc wrote on May 12, 2009 7:10 AM:
" Every Country has their own rules and laws, don't ask them to break their laws for you!
And that goes for the USA too...we also have laws that need enforced concerning immigration, but the weak spined in D.C. pick & choose what laws need enforced. "
And that goes for the USA too...we also have laws that need enforced concerning immigration, but the weak spined in D.C. pick & choose what laws need enforced. "
fear of retrobution wrote on May 12, 2009 1:44 AM:
" HEY BH, (Should be changed to BS)
Canada has some of the most comprehensive social help/welfare programs in the world outside of the more liberal European states. Canada IS a welfare state.
It's your self righteous elitist liberal/fascist comments that make the rest of the world believe that we're all a bunch uppity know-it-alls who think our crap doesn't stink. Not surprising that you would come to a socialist coutries defense. "
Canada has some of the most comprehensive social help/welfare programs in the world outside of the more liberal European states. Canada IS a welfare state.
It's your self righteous elitist liberal/fascist comments that make the rest of the world believe that we're all a bunch uppity know-it-alls who think our crap doesn't stink. Not surprising that you would come to a socialist coutries defense. "
angeredcitizen wrote on May 11, 2009 11:13 PM:
" Who said what kind of assistance she was on and that she did not have a job. Assistance can be anything from simple medicaid to cash. My mom and I have been on assistance for more years than I know, she is disabled and can not work. My sister has been on welfare for 9 years and has had a job for all of it except about 9 months when she was laid off, at one point both her and her husband had good jobs but were still not making enough to support their family of four. "
Please wrote on May 11, 2009 7:35 PM:
" Please! Let her stay in Canada. Shes a Baby maker and will make more with us supporting her and them. Let Canada take a turn for 5 or ten years. "
jce wrote on May 11, 2009 4:47 PM:
" Five years on the public dime, isn't that enough of a vacation? After five years you are no longer looking for work but handout. "
Lee wrote on May 11, 2009 2:45 PM:
" cynde: Why did you have sexual relations with a man who is too lazy to work? Isn't that pretty poor judgment on your part? So many people blame their predicament on their ex, or on how much a divorce cost them, or on a thousand other things. Those things may have played a role, but so did your own poor judgment in getting involved with someone who either had questionable values, or who you hadn't really known long enough to make an accurate judgment. So yeah, if your ex won't get a job or pay child support, your ex is to blame. But so are you, for getting physically intimate (without birth control) with a loser. "
Chris wrote on May 11, 2009 2:36 PM:
" Good for Canada, I don't blame them. If you are accepting public assistance you need to learn to be meek and humble, not go around demanding that people treat you how you want to be treated when you are living off their charity. Welfare is supposed to be a helping hand in a time of need, you've made it a way of life and that is wrong. You have plenty of time to find a way to get off the dole. Plenty of single mothers WORK to feed their own kids instead of dumping their problems on society. "
Larry wrote on May 11, 2009 2:35 PM:
" Bad things can happen to good people.I am amazed at the number of heartless know it all's on this site.Believe me just because you have never suffered adversity...rest assured that your life can change in a minute.So just where are the kids to stay while mom flips burgers?Has anyone here tried to live on minimum wage?Now that is a joke.The real issue here is not the woman...it is how our freedom of mobility is being taken away little by little.Your rights will be next...who will stand for you if you fail to stand for others.Watch the big picture,not this farce of an example. "
Sara wrote on May 11, 2009 2:08 PM:
" I think you are all a bunch of ignorant idiots. I work at the district court in a local county, not Shiawassee, part time. My husband works full time at a shop in Owosso and we pay our own daycare. BUT - you know what? We get food assistance. How do you know her husband didn't leave her with 2 kids? Do you know that? Then keep your fat mouths shut. Hopefully, you'll all be laid off and we'll see what happens then. "
Shing wrote on May 11, 2009 1:53 PM:
" i live here in the U.S., and I'll be the first to say that I fully support and respect Canada's choice not to allow entrance to someone that has no proven means of support while visiting the country. She said the people she was staying with were picking up the tab and return trip, so get it in writing from those people and show the document at the border. I only wish the U.S. would do the same thing to people entering this country. Oh yeah, they don't actually cross AT the border station.
While I understand that some citizens will need assistance to get on their feet, if a person has spent 5 years on wellfare, then they are not a bad person, just not a very ambitious or hard working one. Bottom line is that this country provides a truck load of methods to continue education if you have no skills for the job market. There are grants, scholarships, and student loan programs out the wazoo for women with children who want to continue their education. In 5 years, this woman could have had a degree if she wanted to. So as a tax payer, no, I'm not real jazzed at the idea of the woman taking a vacation to Canada while I work my full time, my wife works her full time job, and my daughter in college works her part time job, all so my family can get by, my child have her education, and none of us take vacations.
For those Canadians that think this was so unfair for this lady to be denied entrance, I'll be glad to let you sponsor citizenship for her so you can start picking up the tab for her and her childrens' care and feeding instead of me. Just say the word and the forms will be on the way. "
While I understand that some citizens will need assistance to get on their feet, if a person has spent 5 years on wellfare, then they are not a bad person, just not a very ambitious or hard working one. Bottom line is that this country provides a truck load of methods to continue education if you have no skills for the job market. There are grants, scholarships, and student loan programs out the wazoo for women with children who want to continue their education. In 5 years, this woman could have had a degree if she wanted to. So as a tax payer, no, I'm not real jazzed at the idea of the woman taking a vacation to Canada while I work my full time, my wife works her full time job, and my daughter in college works her part time job, all so my family can get by, my child have her education, and none of us take vacations.
For those Canadians that think this was so unfair for this lady to be denied entrance, I'll be glad to let you sponsor citizenship for her so you can start picking up the tab for her and her childrens' care and feeding instead of me. Just say the word and the forms will be on the way. "
Rose Kelley wrote on May 11, 2009 1:43 PM:
" Ok, so I am not seeking to move there nor do I wish to stay for more than a week. I have friends and family that i was going to be staying with. they had absolutly no real reason to deny me. I had all permission from my kids' fathers and I was just planning on a little vacation. My children dont even know what camping or fishing is...I was just trying to give them something besides "poverty". if u have anything else to say to me, By all means, email me. I am here to answer questions. I did not start the media frenzy because i wanted to be noticed. I wanted my kids to go on vacation. my marrige did not work out which is where my youngest came from. It was not a consecutive 5 yrs. I was off for about a year or so. I was making a family of sorts, or so i thought. "
Tom wrote on May 11, 2009 1:07 PM:
" She's on welfare for 5 yrs & Canada knows USA is going down the tubes. In 1980 I went to Vancover CAnada while driving to Alaska to see a friend only had $250 with me and they said couldn't come in. Showed them my AMEX & Mastercards and they not only let me in but allowed me to drive through Canada with my pistol. Spent a week in Vancover and got three suits at SEARS to Party in the Bars and drink. Spent about $1,000 in CAnada. Had a GREAT time People were fantastic and the ladies were lovable. Wish I had moved to VC then. "
B wrote on May 11, 2009 12:36 PM:
" This girl needs to get a job and quit mooching of the working folks. "
Tom Bowman - USA wrote on May 11, 2009 12:14 PM:
" I've been unemployed for up to 4 Months, collected Unemployment - but looked for work every weekday and spent as little as possible. I'm currently disabled (renal failure + complications) but work full time - so make too much to collect the Disability. My question is this : "Why would an unmarried woman have ANOTHER kid while on Welfare ?", sounds like someone should owe some Child Support...
Canada will let in who they let in, don't try to visit Canada if you have serious traffic violations either. Can't the Canadian relations visit her in USA ? It does sound like a setup for her to claim refugee status for fear of an abusive relationship at home or some other contrived duress. "
Canada will let in who they let in, don't try to visit Canada if you have serious traffic violations either. Can't the Canadian relations visit her in USA ? It does sound like a setup for her to claim refugee status for fear of an abusive relationship at home or some other contrived duress. "
Alex wrote on May 11, 2009 12:10 PM:
" If Canada wants to denie her entry...well....its their country. But they seem to take American deserters without any question, and they support these deserters without complaints.
Get your crap together Canada and make som common sense decisions. "
Get your crap together Canada and make som common sense decisions. "
Lady wrote on May 11, 2009 11:02 AM:
" She is mooching off of the taxpayers. Get a job, get off welfare and then she can pay her own way to Canada. For more than 50 years in the U.S. welfare programs have encouraged single motherhood. Personally I am sick and tired of paying for millions of moochers like this woman and her children. I have my own family to support. I would gladly pay out of my own pocket to donate for women like this to have their tubes tied. "
Dee Dee wrote on May 11, 2009 10:25 AM:
" Dear FRUSTRATED,
Dont be too quick to judge everyones comments.. FREE SPEECH is still available , until nobama changes that and he is on his way to do so. We need to wait to hear more about this story..SOMETHING just isnt right about it.. So until then , we still have the rights to our opinions, based on what has been published. "
Dont be too quick to judge everyones comments.. FREE SPEECH is still available , until nobama changes that and he is on his way to do so. We need to wait to hear more about this story..SOMETHING just isnt right about it.. So until then , we still have the rights to our opinions, based on what has been published. "
Local Taxpayer wrote on May 11, 2009 10:15 AM:
" Now this is exactly what's wrong with this country. This woman says: “When you say ‘welfare,' most people are going to look at it and look down on you. That's just how society is and it's sad.” It's not sad. It's a great thing that there's a stigma on welfare. This stigma should be a motivator to get you OFF welfare. I've earned my living my whole life. Are there those who need a helping hand? Sure! And I'm all for supporting those who need that helping hand. But to complain about the stigma...! LADY, YOU'RE LIVING OFF MY TAXES! "
SRMK999 wrote on May 11, 2009 10:00 AM:
" Look, for all you smarmy "don't judge" types out there - welfare is OUR money - no one - NO ONE - is entitled to the free goods and services produced by the hands of others. We have not only a RIGHT to judge her, but an obligation to do so. She's using other people's money that was taken by gov't fiat to live off of - we will damn sure judge her until she starts to support herself! "
Exodus1 wrote on May 11, 2009 9:48 AM:
" Canada has every right to decide who they let in and who they don't. I contacted a friend of mind who works in us immigration and he says the usa has a similar law under the Immigration & Naturalization Act 212(a)(4)(A)-Public Charge. If she can't meet Canada's requirements then she doesn't get let in. It has nothing to do with "compassion" or anything else. "
Becca wrote on May 11, 2009 8:51 AM:
" There are plenty of jobs available locally for those that WANT to work. But why take a minimum wage job when you can make more on unemployment or welfare? "
Tired of Paying wrote on May 11, 2009 8:33 AM:
" Sure can tell who favors her as they also are on welfare. I think she has made a "big deal" out of this looking to make "big money". Spend your time looking for a job and get off our payroll then I'll feel sorry for YOU...
Canada doesn't want to support you eith.. "
Canada doesn't want to support you eith.. "
is it really welfare wrote on May 11, 2009 8:19 AM:
" I work full time. I get assistance for my daycare. I used to have a 6 figure income. That was gone about a year ago. After depletion of retirement, losing our home, and working for thousands less a year, I find myself on assistance.
Does that make me a welfare mom? No it doesn't. She could work full time and only get assistance with her daycare. We don't know the situation.
Should she win a lawsuit against this country, all monies won, should be redirected to the state. She must pay back what she took. Daycare, cash, food or medical. "
Does that make me a welfare mom? No it doesn't. She could work full time and only get assistance with her daycare. We don't know the situation.
Should she win a lawsuit against this country, all monies won, should be redirected to the state. She must pay back what she took. Daycare, cash, food or medical. "
peterj.51 wrote on May 11, 2009 7:01 AM:
" I regret that this family is in this financial situation either by circumstance
or choice. I pray that the young women and the children get the opportunity to break the welfare stigma and life style.
I question the motives of Kelly and her attorney in filing this case and must say
that I would not make this a front page story if I were editor of a "community" newspaper. "
or choice. I pray that the young women and the children get the opportunity to break the welfare stigma and life style.
I question the motives of Kelly and her attorney in filing this case and must say
that I would not make this a front page story if I were editor of a "community" newspaper. "
RLS wrote on May 11, 2009 6:57 AM:
" I hope all you folks trashing this family don’t work for GM or Chrysler, or have money invested in any “failing banks”. Hope your not getting mortgage relief or getting extensions on unemployment. If you are, then who are you to judge when trillions of tax dollars are keeping your jobs, your investments, or your unemployment afloat!
In other words, you’re on “public assistance” otherwise known as WELFARE!
By the way, who’s the Brainiac that thinks NAFTA decides what documentation is required at the border?
As for you Canadian’s, who are you to condemn with Canada being the number one entry point for transporting non Mexican illegal aliens, including terrorists, into the United States! "
In other words, you’re on “public assistance” otherwise known as WELFARE!
By the way, who’s the Brainiac that thinks NAFTA decides what documentation is required at the border?
As for you Canadian’s, who are you to condemn with Canada being the number one entry point for transporting non Mexican illegal aliens, including terrorists, into the United States! "
Mike wrote on May 11, 2009 1:05 AM:
" I believe the reason why she was denied access is that she is has been living off the state for too long. We already have far too many of these, already in Canada. Many come as visitors and then claim refugee status that can take a decade to disprove while they live off the taxpayers money and use endless appeals with Legal Aid. Our legions of lawyers have grown fat with this scam. "
frustrated citizen wrote on May 10, 2009 11:48 PM:
" first, i think its appalling that she was denied entry because of that.
secondly, i am also appalled that the response to this woman has been so harsh.
i am a person receiving assistance and i also have a job, does that also make me a bad person? many of you know that this county is one of the worst in the state. most people dont have the resources to even get to a job these days. so before you judge, think about what you are saying. "
secondly, i am also appalled that the response to this woman has been so harsh.
i am a person receiving assistance and i also have a job, does that also make me a bad person? many of you know that this county is one of the worst in the state. most people dont have the resources to even get to a job these days. so before you judge, think about what you are saying. "
jaline wrote on May 10, 2009 11:46 PM:
" She's been on welfare for 5 years. Her son is 5 and her daughter is only 1. Needless to say, she hasn't learned that single motherhood leads to poverty. "
BH wrote on May 10, 2009 11:24 PM:
" So it's one set of rules for coming into the States and another, strike that, no rules for coming into Canada?
A Canadian was barred entry into the US to look after her terminally ill and alone aunt (a US citizen) for a month because "she was taking an American's job?". There's plenty of stories on both sides of the border. One Canadian was recently pepper sprayed by a US border guard after he asked the guard "say please". The list goes on and on.
Would you see this as reasonable?
“A foreign national may be inadmissible for financial reasons if they will be unable to support themselves while they are here in the United States.”
All I did was replaced "Canada" with "United States" in this paragraph taken from this story. Doesn't seem so far fetched, does it?
Gimme a break - Canada is a separate nation, fully entitled to let whomever in and deny whomever from coming in. Ignorant comments like "a welfare nation like Canada" only reinforce the redneck neo con ignoramus stereotype that unfortunately, a lot of the world sees the US.
PS: As for Canada being the "Mexico" of the north, look again. Canada's G8 performance has consistenly been near the top for many years. "
A Canadian was barred entry into the US to look after her terminally ill and alone aunt (a US citizen) for a month because "she was taking an American's job?". There's plenty of stories on both sides of the border. One Canadian was recently pepper sprayed by a US border guard after he asked the guard "say please". The list goes on and on.
Would you see this as reasonable?
“A foreign national may be inadmissible for financial reasons if they will be unable to support themselves while they are here in the United States.”
All I did was replaced "Canada" with "United States" in this paragraph taken from this story. Doesn't seem so far fetched, does it?
Gimme a break - Canada is a separate nation, fully entitled to let whomever in and deny whomever from coming in. Ignorant comments like "a welfare nation like Canada" only reinforce the redneck neo con ignoramus stereotype that unfortunately, a lot of the world sees the US.
PS: As for Canada being the "Mexico" of the north, look again. Canada's G8 performance has consistenly been near the top for many years. "
DEE DEE wrote on May 10, 2009 11:00 PM:
" First of all traveling to another country with young children isnt as easy as everyone thinks..WITH all the parental kidnappings going on , they have to be sure that the parent has legal custody, and permission from the other parent to take them out of the country. SOMETHING is missing from this story, and to me it sounds like someone is looking to get off WELFARE ..and thinks a legal case will do that for her. My 19 yr old went to Canada for a day, no problem, she wasnt working, had her license and birth certificate..No questions asked... I think this story stinks, and i think someone is not telling all there is to be told. "
ed mcleod wrote on May 10, 2009 10:33 PM:
" The main reason she was refused, is that once in the country (Canada) Ms. Kelley would be able to claim refugee status for fear of an abusive relationship at home or some other contrived duress. Then she would be on canadian social services for the time her refugee claim was investigated. It could go on for years. If you don't have the means to pay your way once you get to Canada, Canada has no means to make Ms. Kelley's friends pay for any cost to the canadian taxpayer. It works the same way for visitors from canada to the US. Many are turned around if they don't answer a question about employment correctly. Almost every first world nation has provisions like this "
Erebus wrote on May 10, 2009 9:29 PM:
" Maybe she is willing to do the jobs most Canadians don't want to do. I think they should let her in... "
tbird59 wrote on May 10, 2009 8:48 PM:
" to bad we can't deport everyone who has been on welfare for 2 years or more, imagine what that could do to help the economy and hurt Barry's voter base. "
LittleSister wrote on May 10, 2009 6:06 PM:
" I really don't understand why a person's financial situation or employment status should come into play when they are crossing the border. Personally, I'm not impressed that she's had two kids while receiving state assistance, but those lifestyle choices have nothing to do with a person's right to travel between countries. I'm a stay-at-home-mom, and although my husband makes a comfortable living, does this mean they could turn me away because I have no paycheck stub of my own? Or what if a person does have a well-paying job, but is up to his or her ears in debt? Will credit checks at the border be next? "
Upset wrote on May 10, 2009 4:54 PM:
" First I want to say that I am sorry that Kelly and her boys had to be turned down simply because their family needs help from the government. Second I think that it is rude and mean of all those people who commented to this story saying that she needs to get a job. Just because Kelly is on welfare does not mean that she does not have a job or even that the government helps her family with a lot of finacial means. She could be just getting health coverage or help help with rent - which can be very costly when working a mininum wage job. People are always so quick to cut down those who need assistance without knowing what that person's situation even is about. Everyone needs help from time to times even if it isn't from the government. The point to Kelly's situation was that she was denied entry to Canada not that she needs help to feed her childern. And NO I have never been on welfare but I understand why some may need the aid. "
T. wrote on May 10, 2009 4:53 PM:
" If she has family in Canada, does she have dual citizenship? Maybe she milked the system in Canada, and is now doing the same here in the US. After 5 years on welfare, I think its time she takes pride in herself and attempt to find some kind of work. "
texasredtop wrote on May 10, 2009 4:24 PM:
" This woman living off of our tax dollars is shocked because she was treated poorly? Well, how does she think I feel everytime I have to see all that money taken out of my check to feed her and her kids PLUS pay for trips across the border so they can enjoy themselves while I'm at work. Get a job or quit crying that no one respects you. "
Biff Baxter All american wrote on May 10, 2009 2:54 PM:
" The plaintive wailing of the righteously entitled.
I hope she loses big time. Welfare isn't a virtue. "
I hope she loses big time. Welfare isn't a virtue. "
flyonthewall wrote on May 10, 2009 2:24 PM:
" To all of the writers with the negative attitude toward this lady, I say "UP YOURS!!" Don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes! PINHEADS. "
too bad wrote on May 10, 2009 1:52 PM:
" Why not take the money you spend in gas and invest it toward your children and get off of welfare?
I have no sympathy for this individual. She obviously has time to go to Canada - not look for a job. She obviously has money - so why does she need welfare (for 5 years no less).
It sounds like she is going for the "easy money"....I guess welfare forms are too hard to fill out!
We work and pay taxes for her to go to Canada??? Does this make sense to anybody??? Canada doesn't want another non-contributing individual. "
I have no sympathy for this individual. She obviously has time to go to Canada - not look for a job. She obviously has money - so why does she need welfare (for 5 years no less).
It sounds like she is going for the "easy money"....I guess welfare forms are too hard to fill out!
We work and pay taxes for her to go to Canada??? Does this make sense to anybody??? Canada doesn't want another non-contributing individual. "
politicaldookie wrote on May 10, 2009 11:11 AM:
" What a sloth...there is no vacation when you are not working.
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Molly wrote on May 10, 2009 10:41 AM:
" How sad this is. We know nothing about this women and yet look at how she is being judged. We are not the higher power and have no right to pass judgement. Maybe you should walk a mile in her shoes before assuming the worst. If your that concerend offer her a job. "
Michael wrote on May 10, 2009 9:38 AM:
" What was it Jesus said in the New Testament... about being the first to cast stones? Our society needs more compassion and understanding and less judgement. That is what Jesus' life exemplified. Get the facts. Don't judge. "
KP wrote on May 10, 2009 9:31 AM:
" What exactly did she bring as proof of citizenship? A gas bill isn't going to cut it. Just like Canadians need a government issued passport to enter the US, even though NAFTA asserts that a drivers' license is sufficient, Americans should do the same.
Bringing "every piece of paperwork" doesn't help if those pieces don't include 1) Proof of citizenship and identification for yourself and your children 2) Notarized child custody and permission to travel documentation, at the least. "
Bringing "every piece of paperwork" doesn't help if those pieces don't include 1) Proof of citizenship and identification for yourself and your children 2) Notarized child custody and permission to travel documentation, at the least. "
Eagle Eye wrote on May 10, 2009 8:45 AM:
" How does she have the money to file this "discrimination complaint" since she is on welfare? "
cynde wrote on May 10, 2009 8:17 AM:
" Alot of these people don't understand there simply is just no work around here. I have lived in two other states never have I seen such a poor state. The only reason I am here is because I share custody of my son with his father, which he has not worked in over three years by choice me a single educated mom can't find a job here, but I still have to stay in this depressing economically poor state. Don't pass judgment if you have never walked in her shoes. "
get a job wrote on May 10, 2009 7:28 AM:
" seriously. Don't complain. You take handouts from everyone. Haven't you ever heard of beggars can't be choosers? If you're using taxpayers money anyway...you should spend it more efficiently, maybe clean clothes for your kids, or nutritional food or something. It seems everyone else thinks that you should do something with your life, too. Those of us who chose the better paths in life and didn't get pregnant at 19 have a decent income and an education. Even some who did make poor choices decided to make something of themselves. Who wants to sit at home and watch Maury all day at 25? "
Therese wrote on May 10, 2009 7:13 AM:
" 1st time I've ever heard of this discrimination! If that's the case, why isn't Canada turning away Mexicans? I really feel for Kelly and her children who wanted to "visit" family and friends. Shame on our neighbor to the North, our dear governor's native land. Maybe Granholm could straighten out this matter with Canadian officials; I pray she does help Kelly get justice!! "
NObama wrote on May 10, 2009 5:37 AM:
" American states been rejecting entry to anyone who are at risk of becoming a public charge since the revolution. Ted Kennedy even assured us in 1965 that the new immigration act of 1965 would not bring anyone into the country who was a risk of becoming a "public charge." Oh course he LIED. "
Owosso_lolcat wrote on May 9, 2009 8:45 PM:
" Maybe she will win a bunch of money from the Canadian gov't and finally stop taking handouts from her fellow Americans... "
Nancy wrote on May 9, 2009 6:27 PM:
" I think after 5 years of being on welfare, you should try to make a drastic change in your life. Flip burgers! "
Deepockets wrote on May 9, 2009 6:19 PM:
" Let me get this straight. She has been getting assistance for 5 years. Does the father of those children pay support? If so does she work a part time job or any job at all? It is nice to see that the Canadians are concerned about who gets into their country. Maybe we should be Too. "
Concerned Citizen wrote on May 9, 2009 6:18 PM:
" Kelly,
My prayers are with you. I'm behind you 100%..
Hope you can beat them.. "
My prayers are with you. I'm behind you 100%..
Hope you can beat them.. "
fear of retrobution wrote on May 9, 2009 5:21 PM:
" LOL That is funny, that a welfare nation like Canada would say something like that to this poor lady. Just another reason why I consider Canada the "Mexico" of the north. "
BigBrother wrote on May 9, 2009 5:08 PM:
" I experienced the same thing last year. I tried to sneak in a giant moose rack and $100,000 worth of prescription drugs and they denied me. I ended up hiding in the back of a garbage truck headed for MI and got back home safely. Jerks! "
C wrote on May 9, 2009 4:12 PM:
" Get a job and quit living off of those who do have jobs, then try to go back. Simple as that! "
sue wrote on May 9, 2009 12:25 PM:
" It's sad that she was denied the ability to visit in another country due to her financial situation but I'm curious to know--why has she been on welfare for 5 years?? Does she have any sort of education that she can use to get a good job? I know there are few, if any, jobs today but the economy hasn't been like this for 5 years! A whole other issue would be why did you have another child if you couldn't afford to support it without state help?! Try to do something about your situation and not get upset with the way society is. Good luck! "
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Betty wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:12 AM:
5 and almost 7 months old.She works her butt off to make it she is only 28 years old, her man would gladly take any job he can find.Don't go looking for a job with your kids, thats why you have no job, Did they discriminate you because you brought your kids with you every time you filled out a application.
Hello see the picture.I think there is more to this that beats the eye.I think you are wrong to do this, and I think you said in your mind when this happen I am going to file suit against them,But the results at the end of all this will tell. Good Luck.You told everyone your life and now they are acting on it.No one fault but yours.I am sorry you could not go visit in canada but that is their right.I hope you do have a great life with your children they grow up so fast thats what you should be doing and trying to make your life better but instead you are telling everyone your life story.Come on Chick these people are tearing you up. You feel you were violated by canada, and you do have the freedom of speech but don't get upset when people write mean things because you can make your life better only you, and they are just acting on your story.What did you expect,Fight for what you believe if you believe you were discrimated in Canada realized this will get ulgy I just can't imagine this ending up good for you. Good Luck with all this.I will be thinking about you and your kids.My dad told me something before he pass away Your life is what you make of it, If you do not like it, You are the only one who can change it. Take care Rose "