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Pro-life groups mourn staunch defender

By DANIEL R. BASSO Argus-Press Managing Editor

Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:19 PM EDT

AP Photo by Paul Sancya Owosso Police officer Eric Chery carries a sign Friday that belonged to slain anti-abortion activist Jim Pouillon.

CALEDONIA TWP. - The local chapter of Bound4Life rallied Friday afternoon in front of Planned Parenthood as a protest against abortion and a tribute to Jim Pouillon, a long-time abortion protester who was murdered early that morning in front of Owosso High School.

“We did it on purpose today,” chapter leader Dave Gingerich of Ovid said. “We're not going to let this event�we believe in our cause just as much as Jim did. We're not going to be pushed back or be scared to take a stand. I feel, personally, like it's a tribute to Jim to be here.”

According to the national Web site, Bound4Life is a grassroots prayer mobilization movement targeting the ending of abortion, the increase of adoptions and the reformation of government and society through spiritual awakening. Its mission is to mobilize a groundswell of prayer.

Dennis Hrcka, the president of Shiawassee County Right to Life, paid his respects when contacted by phone.

“I just want to express my regrets to his family, and to the family of the perpetrator,” Hrcka said.

Pouillon's death also gained national notice from anti-abortion activists.

“I've known Jim for nearly 20 years. He was dedicated, articulate and courageous. And he gave his life in the service of the babies he sought to defend. We grieve his death, and we will not stop using any of the tactics that cost him his life. He was known affectionately as ‘Jim the Sign Guy.' May God grant him a martryr's crown,” said Randall Terry, president of Operation Rescue, a national anti-abortion group.

Here Friday, a half dozen Bound4Life members stood along the street outside the Planned Parenthood offices with red tape across their mouths.

Gingerich said the group stands at the office every two weeks wearing tape. The word “life” was written on everyone's tape, which was red for the color of blood.

“We were here last night, actually,” Gingerich explained. “Jim was here, by the way. He didn't participate in our group, but he was at the site.

“I knew him quite well. I really didn't know him for a long time, about a year and a half,” Gingerich explained. “I'm not sure how to say it. He was a little bit more provocative than I would normally tend to be. He felt like the message he wanted to convey was just the bare truth. He was willing to be provocative.

“However, he was very sincere and very faithful in what he believed. I just can't help but just honor him tremendously for that: for his sincerity and faithfulness.

“I know a lot of people who even supported his message didn't approve of his signs,” Gingerich said. “You know, for me personally, I want my kids to see those signs so they know right what abortion is about and what it looks like�so they see the truth. I don't have a problem with the signs.”

- Sarah Bazzetta contributed to this story.

Comment on this Story

Rick Graim wrote on Sep 17, 2009 10:27 AM:

" While the sign was offensive, it was the attitude of the sign holder that upset most people. He was a loud abusive individual, that while claiming his right to Free Speech, totally disregarded the same right for those that disagreed with him. Claiming to be the voice of Gad and trying to outshout doesn't convince many people.

If you are aginst abortion, DON'T have one! "

CLW wrote on Sep 16, 2009 6:53 PM:

" I am offebded by the HUGE sign a man held in front of our High School today, after the school was nice enough to let them us the field for his memorial today! THE SIGN SAID "Show the BLOODY CITY her abomination" I am appalled and insulted. I am part of this city and I am being insulted. This was the act of one person not the city. These people are creating hatred in a community that is still in pain. "

Nick wrote on Sep 16, 2009 11:46 AM:

" Thank you annette for seeing my point. What I'd like to know is who is stammering my free speech by not showing my comment. For those of you who missed it, the point was this:
That mans right to free speech was protected. He showed violent images to children, then became the violent image himself. I think its time we counteract his political message, yet excersize his right to free speech by showing images of babies being made out in front of the school. I'm sure that will have far less of a negative impact on the children. "

Joe Citizen wrote on Sep 16, 2009 10:03 AM:

" Another Former Resident: Sorry, I like small talk. Guess it comes from living in a sleepy lil town my whole life. As for me addressing what you wrote. I agree with you until your last paragraph. Owosso is still a very warm and caring city. The majority of the comments you read on here are from recluses who just like to stir up emotions in an emotional situation, but would run from an intelligent, face to face conversation. The real citizen's of Owosso are walking with their friends in our beautiful downtown, or sitting in one of our fine diners enjoying a meal. Or helping to clean up the river and parks. Have you been back lately? Baker College has done wonders with the south end of town. And our D.P.W. has made up-town look brand new and up to date, tho we could use some money for the kid's pool. We are just down, but not out. Oh yes, there is small talk everywhere. "

Annette wrote on Sep 16, 2009 8:59 AM:

" Nick, you are more correct then your irony would suggest. The same laws that protect against graphic images of that sort would have against Pouillion's also. The local constabulary just had a hard time getting the judicial system to actually put the money into fighting it.

The old man basically held the town in his demented grasp because of small town fiscal conservative issues. Few who actually knew him will miss him. "

Another Former Resident wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:47 PM:

" Joe Citizen, you noted that "Not everyone who posts on these forums, is from Owosso. You posted on it, did you not."

Yes I did post on it. But I am indeed FROM Owosso. Now, would you care to address what I said...or do you wish to continue making small talk? "

elle4pets wrote on Sep 14, 2009 7:17 PM:

" To all of you who think that Pro-lifers are one sided and only fight for the rights of the unborn-
YOU ARE WRONG!
Abortion is only one type of murder and pro-lifers are against all murder of innocent life!
I am also for the humane Society. Animals (esp dogs and cats)can teach humans a lot about loyalty and trust and love! "

elle4pets wrote on Sep 14, 2009 7:12 PM:

" to A Reader
So it was ok to kill a person who was exercising his right to free speech ?

What the hell is wrong with you?

Murder is ALWAYS wrong and that is what Jim was trying to say:
Abortion is murder and it is wrong!

I hope you don't have any guns in your house or God protect us all- we may offend you in some slight way! "

Owosso Gal wrote on Sep 14, 2009 7:02 PM:

" I am also anti-abortion and want to say that up front. I remember seeing Jim all over town including in front of the gates to a football games, pushing his sign in to young people's faces telling them "This is what your schools and parents support". Many would say he was doing good but How DARE he tell MY child what I believe? His intentions were good, but the way he did it was often NOT! I believe that is the cause of the shooting, not his beliefs but how he spoke to people including children. "

I used to live here wrote on Sep 14, 2009 3:33 PM:

" #1: I vehemently disagree with Mr. Poullion's method of protest, and I also disagree with his message. But whether you agree or disagree with him personally, he did not deserve to meet his end in this manner.

#2: time2pay - Michigan doesn't have the death penalty, so drake won't be gassed. "

Connie wrote on Sep 14, 2009 12:46 PM:

" I have known Jim Poullion and his sadly departed wife since they were both sixteen years old. As much as the religious zealots will not like this, it has to be said. Jim and Mary Lou's son is sadly accurate. His father was everything he said he was. I had my own personal encounters with Jim. I know what the family that lived with Jim Poullion went through. I saw both the physical and mental bruises. I wish only the best for his family, they have been through quite enough. "

time2pay wrote on Sep 14, 2009 12:17 PM:

" Its just too bad Drake can't be shot immediately and save the hardworking tax payers the million dollars over a lifetime its going to take to feed and clothe this excrement. "

time2pay wrote on Sep 14, 2009 11:52 AM:

" I just can't wait till they gas Drake! maybe we'll get lucky and some one in prison will eliminate this piece of scum from earth. Then he'll be on the receiving side of what he dished out. Good riddance you piece of $#!+ "

Joe Citizen wrote on Sep 14, 2009 11:27 AM:

" To "Another Former Resident"; Not everyone who posts on these forums, is from Owosso. You posted on it, did you not. "

tom manke wrote on Sep 14, 2009 11:14 AM:

" I can't stand people who hide behind a veil, diss on people and not have the guts to use their name. Jim and I argued about the way that he protested for 25 years. I am solidly pro life but did not believe in Jims way. Many people who would not be here are coming forward now to express that they were going to be aborted or that they were going to abort their baby but didn't because of Jims sign. Let me ask you this...What have you ever done to save ones life or what have you ever done to try and affect a change in something you didn't believe in? I am sorry I can't hear you? Just what I thought. Jim has gone down in history as being the 1st martyr in America.....What will you be known for? "

Another Former Resident wrote on Sep 14, 2009 10:17 AM:

" Man, it never lets up!! The disdain some had toward Jim Pouillon is certainly on full display here at the Argus forum board. Oddly, them that voice their disdain toward a guy who displayed "offensive" images haven't expressed any disdain for the person who ended two lives...and planned on ending another.

Owosso is being shredded by the slow demise of the American auto industry. The auto industry is withering and its "spoke" industries are suffering as a result. That is causing much disruption and upheaval in the lives of many around town. People see their hopes and dreams shattered and what they've worked hard to earn lost as the Big Three suffer, jobs disappear, and income flows slow or stop altogether. Judging by many of the postings here on this forum, hopes and dreams aren't the only things being lost to the poor economy in the Shiawassee area. The community seems to be losing its sense of compassion as well.

This forum board doesn't read like the Owosso I grew up in. There are some who are able to disagree with Pouillons tactics while condemning his murder. I'm glad to see there are many kind, caring people left, but overall this forum reads like a town hardened by hopelessness and despair. I saw tough times coming and had an opportunity to make a new future for my children in a more promising location. I'm thankful for that opportunity because now my children won't have to grow up in this strange new, darker Owosso. "

time2pay wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:54 AM:

Bill wrote on Sep 14, 2009 6:49 AM:

" Get real Owosso this guy was scum of the earth he didnt care about abortion he like terrizing women and you girls. He was vile and nasty man good riddince to this piece of garbage he will rot in hell were he deserves to be he,s wife abuser so he,s not with the lord but with satan himself. "

Frank S. wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:44 PM:

" I will not miss Poullion or his ridiculous graphic signs. "

Wes wrote on Sep 13, 2009 5:58 PM:

" Our country has more compassion for whales and trees than we do human life. If I walked into a hospital and killed a baby, I'd be labeled a monster (and I should be.) A woman does the same thing in a clinic and it's called a "choice." Dead is dead and however you want to slice it, it's murder. We talk about the horror of Sept 11, 2001 when thousands died for nothing, the sad thing is we have thousands killed in this country for nothing every day because of abortion. If loving human life makes me a "right-wing nut" I do not care. "

Wes wrote on Sep 13, 2009 5:51 PM:

" Hey JON. You compare abortion to capital punishment and war? Babies who are aborted don't have any say in what happens. They are totally at the mercy, (or in this case no mercy) of the mother and her "doctor." People who kill others made the decision to kill and deserve to pay for their crime. As for war, our soldiers are not required to enlist. They know what they are ordered to do and they do their duty. As for health care, I am not against people having it, I am against the government running it. They ruin everything they touch and this would be no different. "

Annette wrote on Sep 13, 2009 4:17 PM:

" James M Pouillon, if this is indeed you, then my heart goes out to you, the stories I have heard of your father ARE true, which saddens me. May all of you children heal. "

Jon wrote on Sep 13, 2009 3:00 PM:

" Interesting how "pro-life" people don't care about life after birth: capital punishment, war, health care... "

inconclusive wrote on Sep 13, 2009 2:25 PM:

" Am wondering what the common factor among these three gentlemen and the shooter is -- seems everyone is thinking Mr. P's death is over the anti-abortion issue -- which, ironically, gives the sign guy the last word as it is probably being talked about more now than when he was physically putting himself out there. I do hope the press will uphold it's constitutional rights to investigate and print the truth the same as they do in printing all the hateful comments. "

resident wrote on Sep 13, 2009 2:22 PM:

" At least the Flint Journal got it right and published the better side of the sign on their front page! "

time2pay wrote on Sep 13, 2009 2:03 PM:

Tired of Pr-Life Hypocrates wrote on Sep 13, 2009 1:42 PM:

" Good riddance. All these pro-life psychos, who have no problem with killing others when they promote the legal action of abortion, are a stain on this country. I respect their views, but their actions, by and large, basically, no killing, unless it's for our belief system and cause. Where are all of them where it comes to going to war to kill others? I'll tell you, they support it! This is just 1 less nutjob, to make more noise on bogus and flawed arguments that we don't have to listen to. "

Dr James M Pouillon wrote on Sep 13, 2009 1:36 PM:

" People, do an internet search and find the picture of my dad siting in a lawn chair holding a sign while wearing a red shirt. His anti-abortion sign has 2 Obama bumper stickers on it. This is all the proof you need to understand that he wasn't really concerned with unborn children. President Obama is not against abortion, and neither was my father. This was just his way of terrorizing people while hiding behind the 1st Amendment. He loved every minute of it. "

Blessings Offered wrote on Sep 13, 2009 12:53 PM:

" Maybe he's up in heaven now helping to put babies that didn't make it back together again. "

4real wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:11 AM:

" Argus-Press: Will you report the truth behind Pouillion's divorce? You cover the domestic violence, the evil he committed against the women in his own life. C'mon, this is a small town. You know the truth, now tell it! "

The Truthinator wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:08 AM:

" Wow! Here's a post from his son on another site:

t will be impossible for some to believe, but my dad really didn't care about aborton.

He did this to stalk, harass, terrorize, scream at, threaten, frighten, and verbally abuse women. He had a pathologic hatred of women: his mom, my mom, everyone.

After my mom finally left him and he lost his favorite punching bag the violence and abuse that was always contained within our 4 walls was unleased on the people of Owosso.

My dad used the pro-life movement and 1st Amendments foundations to defend him, support him, and enable him. He fooled them all.

He was at the high shool because my niece was there, and female family members were always his favorite targets.

Again, my dad didn't care about abortion. He wanted to hurt people, upset people. He enjoyed making people suffer.

His goal was to be shot on a sidewalk. His goal was to make someone so angry, to make them feel so terrorized, to make them feel the only way they could make him stop was to kill him.

His pro-life stance was the most perfect crime I personally know of. He hid behind the 1st Amendment and was allowed to stalk, terrorise, harass, be obsene, ect. These things are crimes. Offending people isn't a crime, and having different political views isn't a crime, but he committed several crimes over the last 20 years and got away with it.

Yes I really am his oldest son. Owosso is now rid of a mad man. "

What are you thinking wrote on Sep 13, 2009 10:49 AM:

" This is getting way out of hand with the anti-adortion. The killer had to have other reasons for the two killings. Everyone knows of Jim's behavor in he's younger days, before he became an nut case activist. "

robert bates wrote on Sep 13, 2009 10:04 AM:

" seems like everybody has such a big problem with the pictures jim carried around, IDIOTS this is a real baby. somebody's child they chose to KILL. jim had every legal right to do what he thought was right, if you choose to kill your baby then do it. while your at, why not kill your parents too, better yet kill your whole family, then kill yourself so we don't have to worry about your offspring killing their babies, this is AMERICA and i'm discusted abortion was ever legal, i'm not pro-life or pro-choice i'm a human being and to me murder is murder, jim rest is peace the world will always remember you for the great you have done, i pray that heaven holds a place for you with all the aborted souls at your side "

Kay wrote on Sep 13, 2009 10:03 AM:

" This man was a good man he stood in for what he believed in and believed that he could change women and teen's baby's lives by protesting about how wrong and cruel getting a abortion is. But hey i no for sure that it at least He saved one baby's life so yes I thank him with all my heart and soul. I thank that he was out on those streets all day almost every day because each young girl or women at least thought about it or was re-thinking or even didn't go through with the abortion. Why is it wrong to post those graphic signs around a high school? He is doing it at a high school because most of the abortions are from teens and if they are old enough to have sex they can see the "Graphicness" Of a Picture that really happens in our world. just think people. R.I.P "

Anna wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:05 PM:

" She72

"maybe if he had been not allowed to show that graphic, gross picture (kids do not need to see that) then this might not have happened at all". Then the real estate guy would be dead.

You really don't understand free speech or the First Amendment. You must have been public schooled. "

she72devil wrote on Sep 12, 2009 8:58 PM:

" wow, everyone has turned this into a religious debate, thats not it....no I didnt like the poster, I am prochoice, doesnt matter, either way Mr. Poullion lost his life, didnt need to happen, shouldnt have happened and the one that did it will be judged by a court of law. Enough said, maybe if he had been not allowed to show that graphic, gross picture(kids do not need to see that) then this might not have happened at all, he could have protested with some other sign, I had seen him with it before. So no, he didnt get what he deserved, noone deserves that. But I am sure Drake is going to get what he deserved. "

Mario wrote on Sep 12, 2009 4:14 PM:

" Still awaiting a strong expression of indignation from pro-abortionists for the murder of Jim, a staunch pro-lifer.We must honor Jim's memory by recommitting ourselves to actively fight abortion like he did. My prayers go to Jim's family.No screams yet from the liberal media! "

veritas wrote on Sep 12, 2009 3:56 PM:

" Why do the pictures of an aborted fetus cause such expressions of outrage? Is it because it strips away the euphemism of 'choice' foisted on America to show what abortion really is? Is that you cannot face the TRUTH? Wish to hide behind 'words' and not the deed? You have your 'freedom' so rejoice in it! "

The grim reaper wrote on Sep 12, 2009 3:15 PM:

" Sounds like a good start to me. Stay away from the schools with your sick signs. Leave the kids alone. Life sucks and then you die !!! LOL. Have a good day. "

resident wrote on Sep 12, 2009 2:45 PM:

" Shame on the Argus Press for publishing a picture of that sign. While we're sorry the loss of any life for any reason, we are not sorry for the loss of that sign. We use to cover the eyes of our children as we drove by and now you put it on the front page. You should have better morales and cencored that horrible picture!!!!!! "

Phil wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:56 PM:

" It's simple,God did it.Everyone speaks for
God and he finally straighten out Mr Poullion. "

Do not instigate wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:43 PM:

" These protestors are nut cases trying to enforce their beliefs on others in the name of Jesus. This extremism leads to them bombing or shooting abortion providers again in the name of Jesus. If this nut case was stopped before he got to that point, I don't feel bad. "

Anne wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:30 PM:

" 'a reader' is right. While the death happened to an anti-abortion activist, the death happened only because the activist continued to use methods that even national anti-choice groups have abandoned as doing more harm then good. The murderer's motive was the killed man's inability to allow others to have a differing opinion and not harrass children in the process, not the killed man's beliefs. "

Big Dickie wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:23 PM:

" If I oppose circumsision, can I carry around a sign depicting an uncircunsised and circumsised penis to underscore my views? I agree that anti-abortion protesters need to clean up their act as I find their activities offensive. "

John wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:14 PM:

" Why are pro-lifers also pro-capital punishment? "

Tom wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:09 PM:

" Well, quit showing us the most gruesome photos of dead babies...especially in front of a High School...it's like you have to hit the ceiling with shocking images...so, you get what you get!!!! "

Greg Stigers wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:06 PM:

" They call themselves "pro-life". Not "anti-abortion", "pro-life". You think just once, the media could use the name they call themselves, instead of choosing to call them what their opponents call them, at least under the circumstances. The courts have upheld their right to silent protest, so what they are doing is, legally, free speech. If you don't like it, complain to the courts and your legislators. The man was murdered for exercising a right that the courts have upheld. Do the decent thing, and respect that right, and call them what they call themselves, at least this one time. The man was murdered. It was premeditated murder. Have some respect, or at least show some respect, whether you have it or not. "

sick and tired. wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:05 PM:

" Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe the gunmans reasons for killing Jim had nothing to do with this stupid abortion stuff?! I think proLIFE are just using his death to get their own beliefs across. "

s wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:55 PM:

" Murder is wrong, plain and simple. I think that we should all have our freedom of speech and our freedom of choice. No one should ever resort to violence, indimidation or cancelling out anyone else's rights for any reason.

That being said, No one has the right to engage in such behavior on the left and on the right. Take notice, the right has been engaging in such behavior for a long time. Finally, some derranged idiot from another perspective lost it. Perhaps this should provide decent insight on how violence from any perspective and for any agenda could be wrong. That also includes bombing abortion clinics, intimidating and verbally abusing those who seek abortions, guilting and scaring women and others out of performance of abortions, denying people their right to sex education, planned parenting and other materials and information that would help deter unwanted pregnancy, the right to birth control and the right as women to make their own choices when it comes to their reproductive health. The abortion rights people have suffered a great deal of threats and violence of this nature for a long, long time. This act of violence from the opposing side should be condemned. It wasn't right. No one has the right to maliciously take the law into their own hands and take anyone's life away because of their beliefs. So now you know what derranged, irrational minds do when they don't have the proper grounding in relation to such acts of violence. I remember when Doctor Tiller was murdered. Some anti choice people came out and comdemned the act but one man at the head of Operation Rescue did anything but, he said he brought the act upon himself because he had blood on his hands. Now, I would never, ever side with anyone that sat and condoned this recent act of violence and murder against an anti choice protestor. He has his rights and believed what he believed passionately. We should respect his rights and priviledges and people from the opposing side should also have their rights and priviledges acknowledged and respected. You know, I don't think we're ever going to ressolve this issue completely, there will always be forces on either side fighthing this issue and I think we need to agree to disagree and respect one another and eachother's rights and understand why the other feels and believes the way that they do. Perhaps we all have points, but as we have freedom of expression and religion, we also have the right to choice in this nation and we should all respect one another's rights. Enough senseless fighthing, it's getting us no where. Talking to and understanding eachother might. "

Bowzer wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:55 PM:

" So Owasso police officers, in uniform, carry those gruesome signs now? I won't be spending my money in that town again. "

Guet A. Guet wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:54 PM:

" Jim behaviour is like those idiots in the middle east, where the treat women like personal property. Women have the right to decide for them self. As a man I support women rights. Fools like jim got coming to him.
Screw those who support him, let him to to hell!!!. More idiots like jim will die the same way if then don't stop.... "

JT wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:50 PM:

" Harkus: Because Drake, so far as we know, hasn't dedicated his life to ending anti-abortion protests and vocally advocated killing anti-abortion protesters as most of those who bombed medical clinics and shot doctors have. Drake lost it and murdered people he found annoying or who committed some imagined slight against him. "

Mary wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:49 PM:

" Murder is murder, a nonchoice, it is illegal for a reason. Is it not someone saying with their actions that their beliefs are more important than the right of the victim to live. Abortion is murder, yet it is legal. A mother is, by her actions saying her beliefs are more important than her own child growing inside of her. Doesn't that sound barbaric to someone else? "

O.B. Wright wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:48 PM:

" The issue of "right to life" is not a religious issue as those of the far flung left-socialists tag for such to hunker behind. It is a matter of proper behaviour, something that the society that they promote lacks much of... "

KC wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:47 PM:

" Drake was not a pro-choice activist who was driven BY any ideology to murder. He had apparently just murdered his boss and was driving around with a loaded gun and nothing to lose. The first person who annoyed him got shot. The anti-choice fanatics have long used vicious insults and misleading bloody pictures to attack their opponents and call them murderers, yet I don't know of one other situation where they have actually been murdered for expressing their hateful rhetoric. However, many doctors and patients at abortion clincs have been murdered and otherwise attacked or intimidated. I guess this case goes to show that when you constantly call 90% of Americans couples murderers, since they have either gone through an abortion at some time in their lives, or use a form of birth control which performs a similar function, eventual an anti-abortionist will spew their insults on an unstable person who may respond with violence. "

thirdshop wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:46 PM:

" an eye for an eye, a life for a life....let the scoring begin... "

incredulous wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:42 PM:

" I find it unbelievable that any sane rational person in america could attempt to justify -even in the slightest- the murder of an innocent human being. His 'crime'? Showing a picture of reality, the truth?

I am physically sickened by the despicable statements made of this innocent man. "

Jeff wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:40 PM:

" I don't get the "God's will" argument. If a person truly believes that events occur because of God's will, then an abortion must be God's will and Jim's death must be God's will. Either both are true or neither are true.

Belief is a powerful, and sometimes blinding thing. If someone believes in the commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill," then they cannot with good conscious send their own sons and daughters to war, whatever the justification. Any quibbling or "ya, but..." would be against the commandment, for which, if one truly believes, one will be ultimately judged. People get so caught up in causes that they compromise their own overarching beliefs. "

Mary wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:40 PM:

" From some of these comments about the use of graphic images to convey a truth, it sounds like those in support of taking the choice of life for a helpless child with no voice is not a big deal. Abortion kills a child, pure and simple. The message to the populace is that the unborn are not really people or do not really have a choice for life. Isn't it necessary to show the truth in its stark reality in order to cut through the denial and justification of those who think the mother's right to not be inconvenienced is more important than the right of the unborn. "

Freedom of Speech wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:40 PM:

" I think all you people that write your nasty comments on here are ignorant jerks! How dare you judge. Wake up and face reality. If you didn't like his signs, then you should have turned your heads. We live in a country where it is legal to express your right of freedom of speech....which is why idiots like you guys get to comment on newspaper articles online and go on and on about right and wrong and pretend to be psychologists and perfect Bible-thumping pillars of the community....HA HA HA

A murder happened and guess what? There isn't an excuse for MURDER! Who cares what you guys have to say about the character of the victim. "

ed wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:38 PM:

" 17 years after Roe V. Wade legalized abortion the nation experience a huge crime drop. Criminologists attributed this in large part to the fact that less unwanted, unplanned children (i.e. the very ones with the highest propensity to commit crimes) were being born. Forcing women, especially the poor and uneducated, to have babies they don't want and can't afford puts a huge burden on society. Right wingers want to ban abortion but they also hate paying people welfare. If you don't like welfare and crime you should support sex education, condom distribution, and as a last resort abortion. If you worked in an inner city school like I do and saw all the unwanted, abused, and neglected kids in this world you may see how abortion is a "lesser of two evils". Every child should be a wanted child. "

Dave wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:36 PM:

" I find it sad to read the remarks of Christian zealots who are so quick to entertain their masochistic fantasies of Pouillon's murderer burning in hell. What person is so self-righteous they believe they know what God's judgement will be for either man? Instead of focusing on sin and punishment Drake and Poullion should have tried practicing a little love and forgiveness. Now both their lives are over and the cycle of hate and distrust continues. "

Raul wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:33 PM:

" I am pro-life so I oppose the taking of any life, especially that of defenseles children. Since when did we become such a repulsive society where someone is killed for peacefully expressing his belief and a multitude of people look upon this as an opportunity to rejoice and say how great this killing was because it evens the score. More importantly, how do we justify to ourselves the killing of innocents just because someone wants to eliminate an inconvenience from their lives? Is the person that has an abortion not the same as the one that killed the doctors or this man? What is the difference, the fact that the Supreme Court has said it is okay? This country is morally bankrupt. "

Alison wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:32 PM:

" I am staunchly pro-choice and I was extremely offended at the victim's signs... but that doesn't make it right to kill the guy. Murder is wrong no matter how you view it. I don't believe abortion is murder. But whoever killed this guy should still be behind bars. "

Jerry wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:32 PM:

" I wish people would stop forcing their religious views on others. I doubt jesus would be stading next do one of those protesters with a picture of a Dead baby in his hands. All those protest do is show how intolerant the religious are. KEEP YOU RELIGION TO YOUR SELF! That should of been one of the commandments. "

Harkus wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:24 PM:

" A nutjob, white-guy kills an anti abortion protester.

Where are the screams from the left that this is terrorism? "

Kathy wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:18 PM:

" Ignorance and violence are never the answer on both sides of this fence! "

Jimmy wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:16 PM:

" Maybe if a group of the ProLifer's had a Jim Jones moment at a local Target parking lot their cause would gain more attention. I figure it would take at least 200 men, women & kids to do the trick. "

Kathy wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:15 PM:

" Ignorance and violence are never the answer on both sides of the fence. "

david wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:13 PM:

" one less of the freaks in the world...wont miss him...bye bye "

aninonymous wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:09 PM:

" The so called "choice" is just another bombs away with unavoidable collateral damage approach to any problem or perceived problem.

The Choice to conceive a new life is BEFORE conception. After conception, the choice is to deliver a dead son or daughter, or a living son or daughter.

If we did not shrug our shoulders and just accept that collateral damage is inevitable, then we could develop and organize good healthy and cooperative methods for planned conceptions.

The biggest problem with that abortion choice is not that it kills the son or daughter as sad and cruel as that is; but, that it turns the Mother, Father, doctors and the society into Brutes: cruel, hard-hearted, hopeless, sad brutes. "

Ken wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:07 PM:

" Pro-Life groups are quick to condemn any murder. Why don't the anti-life groups condemn the murder of Jim Pouillon? (Could it be they are anti-life?) "

Peace wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:06 PM:

" Just a p.s. to my previous post. To anti-abortion folks who support displaying these images in public, imagine if every group who felt strongly about their views did this in your town every day, taking away your ability to decide at what age your children should be exposed to these issues & images. There are horrific images that could and at times have been displayed by anti-war groups, animal welfare groups, domestic violence prevention groups, etc. I think groups have a right to use these images to try to convince others of the wrongs they see, but to force everyone including children, to have no choice in seeing these images while dealing with all kinds of things in their own lives, is wrong. "

ConservativeIsBetter wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:03 PM:

" "Planned Parenthood" another Community Organization on the government dole. The very name is disgusting when you know what they are about! There is NO ISSUE TO BE AGREED UPON WHEN IT COMES TO ABORTION! I WILL FOR EVER BE AGAINST THIS EVIL NASTY LOW LIFE MEDICAL OPERATION! "

David wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:02 PM:

" If I oppose the health care system I don't carry a sign in front of the Blue Cross office building, I contact my legislators. If I oppose the proliferation of illegal handguns, I don't carry a sign down the streets of the urban ghetto,I contact my legislators. If I oppose abortion, I don't carry a sign in front of Planned Parenthood, I contact my legislators. In each case, my legislators listen to my complaints & opinions, and listen to the complaints & opinions of other people, and act to accommodate the needs of the majority. That is called democracy. What you sign carriers are doing is exactly what we are fighting in Afghanistan. An intolerant mob trying to enforce their religious views on people who have different opinions. I respect your views against abortion but please, takeyour signs and shove them up your collectives asses. Your Jesus is far less tolerant than my Jesus. "

JT wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:02 PM:

" If Jim Pouillon is being celebrated in heaven, I certainly want no part of that place.

And just to be clear, Drake was also taking a clear stand and acting on his deeply held beliefs. That doesn't excuse his actions, just like it doesn't excuse Pouillon's. "

The One wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:02 PM:

" Whatever I believe, God made me believe. If you disagree, you are not as close to God as me, so you are wrong. "

A reader wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:56 AM:

" Michelle, the lefties didn't "hurt their cause with this one." The lefties (as you call them) were not involved. A deranged man killed a controversial man. There were no politics at play here. Poullion's disturbing protesting methods were meant to incite people and this time they did in the most horrible way. "

neurose wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:54 AM:

" You know, those pictures are enough to cause emotional trauma to the women who use OTHER services of PP as well. I had an abortion of a pregnancy resulting from a rape. I had to run interference to get to the doorway of the clinic i had to drive several hours to get to. They have to have extra staff to protect patients from these people. This man every day risked violating someone's sanity with those pictures. Sorry like so many like to say about rape survivors "he asked for it" "

ConservativeIsBetter wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:54 AM:

" Abortion is Evil! What part of that is incorrect? Abortion is the great LIE! The truth is tough to swallow! Sin is what humans do when they want to make exscuses for their bad behavior! "

former Owosso resident wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:52 AM:

" Wow......I am completely amazed at the ignorance and blind hatred in about 99% of these comments. Two men were killed yesterday, and all you can do is condemn them. Did any of you even know them? No matter what you think about their political beliefs, they were men with families who loved them.
The way some of you are casting blame and spewing hateful words, you're no better than the man who pulled the trigger. You say you were angry about his graphic pictures. I didn't agree with them either. But I would rather have to explain the pictures than teach my children to hate and have a closed mind. "

Little gals mama wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:51 AM:

" No matter what or which side you are on (of the abortion issue) Mr. Poullion did nothing wrong. He has the right for free speech, the Argus Press has t6he right to take a picture. We need to stand as one and tell murders we will not tolerate this! Mr. Fuoss did not deserve to die either. What about him? What about Mr. Howe? They need to be remembered, too! "

Peace wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:48 AM:

" A number of those who killed or injured abortion providers and clinic workers were part of (and to some degree supported by) those in anti-abortion organizations, including Randall Terry. Some of the people who have posted here imply that Drake was part of a pro-abortion group that also supports to some extent his actions, I'm curious, does anyone have evidence of that, and if so, what is that organization? I haven't even read anywhere that he was specifically a supporter of abortion rights, just that he was angered by the posters that were being displayed. This is not to defend in any way Drake's murder of Poullion, and I am glad that people on the scene were so quick to get his description and help police apprehend him before he could kill a third person. "

Laura wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:48 AM:

" Wow, some people have no sympathy or reasoning skills. Murder is wrong. This man murdered no one, but was murdered. He didn't kill anyone but people liken him to those who did. Let everyone be accountable for their own actions, not the actions of everyone proclaiming the same cause. He had a right to free speech and people may not have liked it, but he shouldn't have been killed for his opinions. Opinions aren't dangerous, but people are if they seek to silence different opinions. "

Kelly C. wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:45 AM:

" I don't think he was making a huge political statement by killing this guy - he was simply upset by the signs (and so many other things in life), and he finally snapped. That's why he went on to shoot others not even connected with the abortion protesters. "

Jim Armshaw wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:40 AM:

" I find it most troubling that some of us are less concerned with Murder than with someone carrying an objectionable sign. So much for free speech in America in this new century. "

Jon wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:38 AM:

" I find it amazing that the signs are mentioned. This man was murdered by some crazed dog, all crazed dog's have their reasons. When I was a crazed dog, I had mine.

A man, who believed the WORD Almighty, concerning the importance and protection of children, was MURDERED. Shot down in the street, like a common thug.

If this was done by a wild animal, you'd put it down. Well, it was, now take action and a stand. God will not hold us guiltless for simply watching. "

SAJones wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:30 AM:

" It's ok to kill those who are pro-choice, but not those who are anti-abortion?? It's not OK to kill anyone for their belief choices. I'm really tired of the religious right trying to cram their beliefs down everyones' throats, even if they have to kill someone! It is an extremely difficult personal choice, but not a choice any religious group has the right to decide! Who made you God? "

Peggy OBrien wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:20 AM:

" I guess the anti-choice folks aren't celebrating as much as they were after the murder of the abortion provider in Kansas.

A sad and stupid world. "

Michelle wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:20 AM:

" If he found the signs offensive, maybe he should have thought about WHY they are offensive. Killing near-term fetuses is disgusting. The pictures simply reflect the reality. The lefties really hurt their cause with this one. "

sickofit wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:19 AM:

" June - I completely agree with you. Just as their calling of this man a "pro-lifer" instead of anti-abortionist." "

MrKanz wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:19 AM:

" It sounds like one of there’s finally got his and it’s an up roar...what about all the doctors that had been by the so called “Pro Lifers”. It looks to me like we had a late abortion...no tears from this side. "

M.E. wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:18 AM:

" THE ABORTION ISSUE "WILL NEVER BE AGREED UPON" BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT IN ANOTHER UNLAWFUL POWER GRAB TOOK THE ISSUE FROM THE PEOPLE AND THE STATES WHERE IN RIGHTFULLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEBATED AND DECIDED. "

Zhivago wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:17 AM:

" The anti-choice protestors were already fine with bombing "abortuaries" and will inevitably resort to more violence as the Christian Taliban in the US sees themselves disenfranchised by the losses of their Republican party. They must enforce the Bible or they can not be faithful. "

Sandy wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:16 AM:

" He was killed because he carried a graphic poster?! What about the graphic deaths that it portrays? What is worse the poster or reality? "

Will wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:15 AM:

" Kind of reminds me of those anti-abortion "activists" who have murdered doctors who perform abortions. See, this is why nobody should be threatening (or killing) anyone, because that sword cuts both ways. Scare tactics and graphic signs don't help either, because all they do is upset people further, and people can do nasty things when they're upset (case in point). We reap what we sow. "

Glory Be wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:14 AM:

" make it your ambition to lead a quiet life and attend to your own business...

Hell as a place for sinners like Jim Poullion "

Mary Sims wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:14 AM:

" He didn't deserve to die, even though he was wrong to be doing what he was doing outside of a school of children. Additionally, a woman's right to choose is no one's business but the woman's. It involves no one else but her, and it affects no one else but her. It is no one's business, especially that of a male. "

MrSoul wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:11 AM:

" GOOD!!! These people are nut-jobs!!! "

Rachael wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:10 AM:

" I do not believe that this man deserved to be murdered but the cause that he supported led to the murders of doctors who perform abortions years ago. Those signs are disgusting and misleading. Generally speaking I suggest that every man or woman who is so hardcore pro life make it their personal duty to adopt as many American children as they can. The foster and adoption systems in the US are murky at best. RIP Drake "

AbortionIsLegal wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:10 AM:

" "But I guess it is okay to shoot a man in cold blood..in front of highschoolers". No more than it is okay to kill someone in cold blood in front of their church congregation, right Judy? Freakin right-to-lifers and their delusional beliefs. Now they're all killing each other because they can't agree. Good riddance! "

ME wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:07 AM:

" His killing is inexcusable. But it's not hard to understand the rage that his obnoxious behavior provoked. "

JJ wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:06 AM:

" So will Pouillon rot as well. He represented the kind of small-minded idiocy that seeks to throw women into the kitchen to cook and make babies. Pouillon was no different than the extreme islamic fools who express their insecurities by taking it out on women. Rot in hell, Pouillon, because no women in heaven will allow anyone to let you in. "

A Reader wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:05 AM:

" Yeah, everyone should have to explain to their 4-5 year old kids what an abortion is and why those babies are so mangled and bloody. Makes perfect sense why someone would want to kill him. "

MrReal wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:04 AM:

" I hate to say this BUT it is about time the anti choice zealots got some of what they have been dishing out... I hate the thought of anyone being killed BUT so far it has been the so called pro life liars & criminals that have been doing the killing... Maybe now that the shoe is on the other foot the crazies that call themselves pro life who are really nothing but power hungry ignorant zealots who want to take the very freedom of women away by putting them back into slavery might think twice before they run around spitting out their lies & hate... "

Former Owosso Boy wrote on Sep 12, 2009 10:45 AM:

" When I worked out of Owosso from 1990-2006, I saw Jim most often standing at Owosso City Hall with one of his signs. To me, he showed his bravery by showing his beliefs to all---killing is wrong

I am so sorry for his loss, and I send well wishes to his family and friends. "

June wrote on Sep 12, 2009 10:10 AM:

" Dear Argus Press,

The offensive signs that Jim carried, were the cause of his demise. Now you choose to public these graphic photos in the paper???? That is why I DON'T buy your paper anymore.

You died for your cause.
God bless you Jim, Rest in peace. "

A reader wrote on Sep 12, 2009 9:45 AM:

" I truly hope this tragedy does not inflame the anti-choice protesters to be more aggressive at places like Planned Parenthood. No person should be killed for expressing his or her views, this killing spree was not a mission against the anti-choice movement. The suspect was obviously a troubled man who made up a hit-list of people who annoyed him and started killing. I mourn for all of the families involved. "

Judy Putney wrote on Sep 12, 2009 9:17 AM:

" The abortion issue will never be agreed upon. We have a right to our opinion. Mr. Drake did not like Jim Poullion<s graphic signs, Mr. Drake did not like the high schoolers seeing the pictures on display! But I guess it is okay to shoot a man in cold blood..in front of highschoolers. Sounds to me like Mr. Drake didn,t really think things through. I hope Mr. Drake rots in prison. "